The Path to Ultimate Power: How Do We Win?

[GraalChud]

I don't see the logic in taking up this Palestinian goal, for in my mind one cannot simply ignore the shifts done by Westerners of their own free will along with a multitude of social changes (The best description of this being Nietzsche's Last Man) which I find much more striking and important than Jewish opportunism to merely survive so they could reach this enlightened state:

Not to say they they did nothing just that to use a metaphor a great man with shattered legs should focus on that foremost, everything(Including beating mutt dogs that have gotten into the larder) is certain to click after that. Circling back to the thread topic, I want to give a open to question to everyone, have you ever sat down and thought about how the way power flows is getting even worse, phasing out even the old tribes?

Bro, you post like a kike for fucks sake.  Honor eludes you.  And you over invest in distraction. 

Kikes are reviled for a lot of good reasons.  But one of the best is the childishness of their mind.  Overexerts itself when confronted with truth, dissembling the point at hand while interjecting those not.  And is utterly deluded others will follow. 

If you can appreciate this nature of kike being, the amount of effort they expend to cocoon themselves in delusion, you find the real sweet spot of contempt. Should one of these children do the bit before you, the spike in contempt is like a natural high.  

The best case scenario is whites destroy israel because it could be fun.  Why not?  Fuck em. 
The more serious scenario, and one I think inevitable, is whites destroy isreal because they are honor bound to do so.  Because revenge becomes justice.

As a matter of course, I think that until we are in a position to destroy Israel, we ought to capitalize on its existence. 

In a pre-WWW situation, when we`ve taken considerable steps towards the creation of Keyedworld but have not yet consolidated our power, lack the capability to wipe Israel (and the entirety of the Levant, for that matter) off the map, and are in the process of starting the mass expulsion/execution of non-whites in our countries, Israel will have a twofold use: 1) a place where we can tell Jews to go if they don`t want to be put in camps in the near future (this will free up time, effort, and resources that we would otherwise spend on excising the Hebraic tumor from the West, as the threat of another Holocaust would likely be enough to drive most paranoid Jews to pack up and head back to their homeland); and 2) a puppet that can be used to keep shitskins in the MENA region in check by keeping their populations low. 

Regarding the second of these two purposes, I cannot emphasize enough how much we do not want the Middle East to become overpopulated or too destabilized as a result of a shift in the regional power dynamic that exists between Iraq, Israel, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia, lest the towelheads begin trying to flood Europe again (granted, at this point we could probably just shoot them on sight, but why waste resources on this when we can let Israel do our work for us so we can concentrate on kicking non-whites out of our countries?). It would probably be relatively easy to use Israel as a sort of attack dog by simply telling them that they have carte blanche to do whatever they want to Palestinians, Iraqis, etc. and can use our repatriated Jewry, who we would otherwise liquidate, to do so. What we do not want, however, is Israel to fall to Palestinians, the Lebanese, or some other non-white group, as such a group would likely get its hands on Israel`s nukes (in the event that it doesn`t Samson protocol itself and everyone else before that can happen, which would be bad for us) and use them on the "Great Satan" (Europe, America) and/or seriously destabilize the region, leading to an Arab Spring 2.0 situation (in which, as noted above, we`d have to expend resources keeping them out of Europe). This is an infinitely more pragmatic approach to Israel in the transitional period between ZOG and KeyedWorld than impotently crying about Israel like a bunch of goatfucking sandniggers and trying to start issues with them when we have far more pressing issues at home. Worth noting that this approach and the complete destruction of Israel (which is acting as a kike-corral at this point in time) later down the line are not mutually exclusive.

[NuclearAbsolutist]

Kikes are reviled for a lot of good reasons.  But one of the best is the childishness of their mind.  Overexerts itself when confronted with truth, dissembling the point at hand while interjecting those not.  And is utterly deluded others will follow. 

Which of course did not happen contrary to their delusions in 1917 in Russia, 1933 in America 1945 in Western Europe the 1960s in Europe America and across the world(Blamed as Westernization and "Modernity")
I could go on but my point is I don't see how your claims on the true nature of the Jew and his acts follow actual events and thus don't share the ideals that spring from such a foundation or see how they are sensible.

[casual rapist]

As a matter of course, I think that until we are in a position to destroy Israel, we ought to capitalize on its existence.

The proper posture towards kikes is zero sum.  We have competing ontologies. That's how fundamental the opposition is.  Accordingly, when you reduce the kike in any regard, you add to your position.  I would back the Left against the Kikes.  This is simply a no brainer.  And when the kikes howl about the fake "antisemitism of the left", I'd establish the Left is anti-white and rob kikes of their victimhood.  And then I would return to encouraging the Left under any pretense they so desired. 

I would establish a Libertarian or property rights wing to the Palestinian cause, and target the same sentiments within the American right.  This is so obvious I don't know why it hasn't been done yet. 

don't share the ideals

Yes, I know.  Honor-bound escapes you.

[NuclearAbsolutist]

I would establish a Libertarian or property rights wing to the Palestinian cause, and target the same sentiments within the American right.  This is so obvious I don't know why it hasn't been done yet. 

A minor wiggle of Palestinians in the entire history of their national struggle have never ever stood for such values and aligned themselves with regimes alien at best, hostile at worst to those values. One can also point out how they never flipped the table on the the Jew charade that is the UN and human rights but simply tried to beat Israelis at their own game(With instead of remember the holocaust anti western baiting, third worldism and a equally tireless effort to get the rules in place to work for them.) Not that successful of course, the cause as of the current year is at quite the low point, there was series of debate articles in Foreign Affairs about a one state reality and one had this description of the august darling of both fringes of Western politics
https://archive.is/lkRR3

In the last two decades, the Palestinian national movement has all but disintegrated. The Palestine Liberation Organization, once the beating heart of the movement, has largely disappeared from the scene. In the West Bank, the Palestinian Authority, led by President Mahmoud Abbas, is seen by many Palestinians as being controlled by Israel, effectively serving as a tool to normalize Palestinian existence within a single state dominated by Israel. And in Gaza, the Islamist Hamas organization comes very close to cooperating with Israel in order to manage the day-to-day affairs of the Palestinian population there. Meanwhile, the competition between the two Palestinian quasi governments helps Israel maintain control and solidify its dominance.
Broadly speaking, the Palestinians are divided into four groups with fundamentally different aims and objectives. Most Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza aspire to create an independent Palestinian state in those territories. The Palestinians in refugee camps throughout the region and in the diaspora primarily aim to return to their homeland, regardless of its official status. Most Palestinian citizens of Israel seek equality within that country. And finally, Palestinians in east Jerusalem, who are caught between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, want to see Jerusalem as the future capital of an independent Palestinian state, which seems less and less likely to happen. But in a one-state reality controlled by Israel, all these groups have hit a dead end.

Instead of trying to keep cheerleading such movements from chatrooms I think it would be best to consider soberly how many of these 20th century causes sunk into being just more patients to be manged by the systems orderlies.

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Beyond power realities you cannot use movements and institutions that have values(And racial composition!) no different than the ethnic clique that has wormed its way in, aided it abides it and purely disagree with them and the state they have founded because its "neo colonialist"(A crime almost on par with a white majority area/field existing you know).

[casual rapist]

A minor wiggle

Oh really?  Good for them. 

Anyway, people of the future won't even recognize this kike charade of directing everything back to palestinians. Ooo you must be a palestinian!  (Recall what I pointed out above on childishness and misdirection.)
 
The metaphor will be incomprehensible.  Rather it will be understood that palestinians are attempting to be White in their desire to see kike land destroyed.

[NuclearAbsolutist]

The metaphor will be incomprehensible.  Rather it will be understood that palestinians are attempting to be White in their desire to see kike land destroyed.

This desire is not uniquely European and its expression is certainly not. Unless you wish to detail to me how Hamas haggling for outside aid for the IDF lined showbox they live in  is just like Charles The Great. For various reasons I do not find their bearing or outlook ever having been akin to European man and likely it never will be same for whatever cause that gets the ire of our establishment looking beyond Palestine-sans (Non-Hollywood)white supremacy. The reasons for this are well documented and apply elsewhere:


I keep bringing things back to actual realities in the region by the way for the simple reason its a similar story of  security service neutralization everywhere, just a matter of scale and what flag(Israel touts how it exports their mindset across the globe and how it works on all the agreed metrics). If the users here want to get on the path to power they should understand the corpses, or in some cases living corpses below their feet and what was wrong with them and their mindset.

[Guest]

Just spending an hour on Twitter is so utterly blackpilling. The sheer scale and scope of the challenge is gigantic. There are hundreds of millions of shitlibs. An entire continent of niggers, then take Asians, Spics, and Jews into consideration, and it comes into full view.

We are a small group, maybe a few thousand at most against billions.

[Guest]

uh, why has nobody addressed VirusChad ™?

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[Guest]

Funding,

so one must be a multi-millionaire. not common, but not impossible.

acquiring and permanently retaining trustworthy assistants, and years — even decades — of secrecy or bribing people to turn a blind eye to what you're doing.

what about doing it in your garage and not telling anybody?
https://www.cdc.gov/orr/infographics/biosafety.htm
seems like you could get up to BSL2 while plausibly just being an eccentric chemist. nothing super suspicious about a chemistry geek having an autoclave or having a HEPA filter on his fume hood. Could just be paranoid or environmentally conscious. If you have a few friends that can buy some of the weirder parts then all the better.
BSL3 or 4 require an effluent decontamination system. It seems clear that this would be most easily accessed by having access to an existing EDS in an industry where they are common.
"Facility types that may utilise an EDS include hospitals, food and beverage industry plants, research laboratories, agricultural and animal research facilities, pharmaceutical production facilities, and governmental or military facilities"
The standards also require a clean room. The obvious reasons you might need a clean room have to do with electronics manufacturing or reverse engineering as a hobby. The substances involved in these hobbies make suits and showers not entirely unreasonable. Putting one of your backup HEPA filters on the exhaust not just the supply is weird but nobody has to know.
Seems a bit harder to make all this without leaving a paper trail. One might consider paying people in a shithole with crypto to set up and maintain a remote lab for you to personally operate remotely. Obviously leaks are less risky if you don't care about the people nearby. Always add a well-tested generation limit before you add super-spreader traits.

Not to mention a racially targeted engineered virus or other pathogen is about as easy to create and has as much existing literature and documentation to accompany it as a Dyson Sphere.

With a bit of self-confidence one can figure out a lot of things that seem impossible. You know that it is possible to make a nuclear bomb. All the underlying physics are openly available. You can figure out the whole process yourself, but nobody is going to hold your hand.

A lot of necessary techniques like mutation resistance via error correction are already discussed in literature. Immunogenomics is a real field and has open data anonymously accessible. It might be easier to blacklist a bunch of white traits rather than identify all nonwhite traits because a lot of the genome data is from european patients.

Even if you can't figure out targeting from existing public immunology, in practice a super-plague can clear continents without being ethnically targeted. Sure, its no good for a white afrikaner to die like that but something something omlette eggs.

Natural viruses are limited in their potential lethality because lethality limits their spread. Engineered viruses can delay lethality with a generation counter in order to spread farther with fewer symptoms. Can you implement a counter? A process in the genetic code that eventually reaches an end conditon? That is literally all you need to make a super-virus.

Also if you're found out say goodbye to the demographic you wanted to save, because with a few edits contingent on whatever success you've managed to achieve with your work they're going to be the only ones who die.

This obviously is only true if there is a logical junction between the ethnicity detection and the symptom/spread expression. The holocough virus is supposedly more likely to cause clots in northern euros because what it does interacts directly with them in an ethnically selecting way because of their physiology. There is no opportunity to inject a logical NOT into such logic and make it give non-euros more blood clots because it is not a construction of modular symptoms and detectors. That said, the modular option is appealing so this might not be a bad critique.

The real issue with VirusChad's musings is that it would pull us further from an age of heroic violence. Maybe the tendency towards industrial impersonal killing is inevitable but accepting inevitable evil sooner is still bad.

Once a hundred million people die from a synthetic virus the rules for civilization are going to change. By default if a typical quasi-liberal society allows individuals a degree of agency to tinker on their own property and ship things to other places then every ethnicity under that shipping network is in MAD with all other ethnicities except the "nukes" are invisible so there is less MAD deterrent. You could see second-strike bioweapons from sophisticated target populations before the virus has killed all of them, but the ability to target others in that situation is greatly reduced because nobody will want your packages or passengers.

The most obvious solution is ethnic partition with no inter-ethnic shipping but that clearly breaks supply chains- and isn't kosher, if ideology still matters. The most efficient option may be an omnipresent biosecurity state that refuses to accept foreign cargo without inspection and ignores sovereignty to discover and sterilize unregistered biofacilities. Everyone has to get pricked when traveling to check their blood for latent bioweapons.

Best case scenario: biosecurity crisis accelerates the competence crisis, but instead of ending in disaster first forces TBTB to accept intelligent whites into positions of eminence. Technologies are invented that eventually neutralize the MAD biosecurity situation, letting us go back to a regular MAD nuclear situation and rebuild supply chains etc.

Geopolitically not much would change advantageously even in the best VirusChad case. A few billion die in africa, india or china. Such a virus would be blamed on the chinese just like that last one. heck, the chinese might actually decide just to clear africa out and blame zog. All that happens is that new resources open up for people to take. If we were still on course for civilization problems before zog spawned a few billion bantu, we will still be on track afterward. Is the risk worth it, for a mere rewind? You won't eliminate any races. Even browns know how to quarantine. They have genetic samples and could clone the bantu if need be.

[Black Cube Fan]

Independent meritocracy of 140iq White men who are able to get a steady supply of U235 to fuel Breeder reactors/selling energy. India has a shitload laying around.

"War" is primarily fought with demographics and sanctions. Russia's gdp is smaller than Texas but can squeeze the testicles of the world by withholding ammonia/natgas and people have to kiss up to illiterate Saudis. Energy moves the world. Energy is the "real" economy - not FAANG social media pretty pictures on screens, marvel ticket sales & real estate.

The big problem with ethnostate cargo cult thinking is that you actually have to produce something. You have to be a cut above the rest. My 0.02c.

Abundance of natural resources doesn't matter when you lack human capital. For example the russian extractive industry relies on the west know-how and machinery (notice that also africa has abundance of resources), while now the natgas price in europe is returning to pre-war levels. I agree with the importance of nuclear energy and also nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are essential for having the upper hand even if you are a very small nation (see Israel). 

Again, I am convinced that human capital is more important than natural resources. Our modern societies heavily rely on complex systems that require smart and experienced operators. Notice that China is still behind the US on military-technological superiority despite heavy imitation efforts.

See: Why China Has Not Caught Up Yet: Military-Technological Superiority and the Limits of Imitation, Reverse Engineering, and Cyber Espionage

https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article/43/3...t-Military

Returning on the main topic, I would say we have to insert "our guys" in key positions of power (political, judicial, financial and military system + some key industries). So I would advise all the intelligent people here to not fall for the trades meme and the based rural lifestyle meme.
Lastly I would keep an eye on private intelligence agencies and what they have been able to accomplish:
See Cambridge Analytica, NSO group, Black Cube, Spy Group and Team Jorge.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/secu...9e08b10000

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If you want to win this late into the game, then you'd need to rally a group of people who all agree to commit their life and the life of their children to the cause.
There isn't a "get rich quick" scheme to winning this since that has been done so much that they welded the door shut to ensure nobody else does it again.

The best method is through media and entertainment, and after that violence being the most efficient and shortest route.
So if you ain't willing to lie, cheat, steal, and murder your way to the top you will remain on the bottom.

You need to break things up by tiers.
If you want to understand.

At the top, World Governments are the biggest dogs, but even they serve someone above them.
Below them are Companies, which include crime organizations, banks that move money, Media which steers public opinion.
Below that are Religions, because while religions have money and people, they can only commit to violence.
Everything else becomes street crime, cults, gangs, etc.

Religions do not move companies, though they can make up a majority and potentially sway some decisions, they are just many individuals who just believe in something and rarely does it manifest into controlled organized crime, but scientology did so and so have Mormons.

Companies are the shadow government. For if the Government can't force you to get vaccinated, the companies can threaten to fire you, destroy your life, bankrupt you, and force you to bend. The government would totally do this itself if it could, think of it as a symbiotic relationship.

Governments are not all aligned, they are gangs representing a whole nation. They lie, cheat, steal on an international level companies wish they could do. The money they move is astronomical, and the benefit is always to a few and not for the whole country. They would not like their cattle destroyed, but they do not care for the health of them either. Usually the Government is more concerned on rival Governments taking up money, resources, exploiting weaker nations for cheap labor.

Governments serve something comparable to investors. For imagine if GOOGLE, MICROSOFT, AMAZON, ETC. Decided to just LEAVE and go to China. The money, technology, and inside information they have would permanently throw America into chaos. The amount of people who would be out of jobs, the amount of money that America collects from their taxes... that can't be allowed to happen. This also includes bankers, investing collectives that could sink entire nations like what Rothschild has done. So who do Governments serve? The people who can hurt them most unironically; a collective cabal of deep pockets with some religious ties.

[Svevlad]

Yes, I said something like that... A multi-vector scheme is needed.

Our main goal is to both form a cabal, and perch ourselves on top of the supply chain in such a way that we can have the entirety of Israel go full Heil Hitler because otherwise we push a button and the price of the most basic of raw materials jumped by 10000000%.

Another is a private security firm. This allows access to various important figures, which you need for potential blackmail and currying favors. Once a certain level is achieved, you can set up people you don't like (let's say certain journalists) to go somewhere and see something they shouldn't have, with the ensuing consequences.

VirusChad is my favorite, though - even if I would do it another way: a select group of people would be put in bunkers for a while as the virus is released. It has to be extremely contagious, but with 0 symptoms for quite a time, let's say 5 years. Once the virus has finally incubated, you just drop dead. Maybe explode, I don't know, maybe we can pay extra for this "celebratory gunfire." Then get out of the bunker, rebuild society how we see fit.

[Guest]

If you want to win this late into the game, then you'd need to rally a group of people who all agree to commit their life and the life of their children to the cause.
There isn't a "get rich quick" scheme to winning this since that has been done so much that they welded the door shut to ensure nobody else does it again.

Yep, but I disagree with the second part of this only because there are always good ideas out there that haven't been tried. That said, even if you had a genius idea that earned you 10 billion USD of assets/leverage that is a drop in the bucket compared to the scale of the world. This is the part of your post that needs to be highlighted even more: the powers that be think in tens or hundreds of billions of dollars. The

The best method is through media and entertainment, and after that violence being the most efficient and shortest route.
So if you ain't willing to lie, cheat, steal, and murder your way to the top you will remain on the bottom.

I think this is shitty advice. The value of media is in control and with a dropping population of salvageable whites there are fewer people worth spray-and-pray influencing. Recruitment should be like spearfishing not a shrimp operation.

People think there is more money in entertainment than there really is. It is a really small industry and not critical when the competence/demographic crisis sets in.

Capacity for the inevitable violence is good, violence anytime that the vast majority of our people are still protected is a bad career choice.

You need to break things up by tiers.

I think that these simple models obscure more than they reveal. If I were well funded and attempting to ascertain the true structure of the powers that be, I would first concern myself with scraping photographs so I can genetically cluster every VIP in politics/bureaucracy/corporate. I would attempt to label/cluster ideology but put little stock in it at this stage. Then I would try to catalog exceptions to the naive expectations of a naive model inferred from this data. What conflicts exist intra-genetically or intra-ideologically? What is the easiest attribution of these incidents? It would be great to understand the world on such a broad scale holistically, instead of relying on a source here or there hinting at a schism in a faction without comprehending how that faction relates to other clans/agencies/companies and what truly motivates them. Some alleged factions like Thiel/DARPA/Musk ("German feds") might be negotiable while others like the quagmire of zionist NGOs/charities in Massachusetts might be inherently hostile in our current context.

Governments serve something comparable to investors. For imagine if GOOGLE, MICROSOFT, AMAZON, ETC. Decided to just LEAVE and go to China. The money, technology, and inside information they have would permanently throw America into chaos. The amount of people who would be out of jobs, the amount of money that America collects from their taxes... that can't be allowed to happen. This also includes bankers, investing collectives that could sink entire nations like what Rothschild has done. So who do Governments serve? The people who can hurt them most unironically; a collective cabal of deep pockets with some religious ties.

"Stakeholders" is a useful term.

When I hear hypothetical situations like this, I wonder what actually would happen. Could the company just leave, take whatever valuable employees would come along? Or, would TPTB send in the military, exercise a new aspect of sovereignty to tax their exit, etc? Everyone with a bit of power has drastic measures they could take, but nobody takes them because of how they change the rules of the game. I suspect the most dangerous part of developing power is overestimating what you can get away with. "Oh, I have blackmail on half the feds. I don't need to worry about law enforcement... oops, made too much noise and they need to keep up appearances so the rich of the third world can still think USA is a safe place to stash their money. All I can do is take them down with me."

Another aspect is that these companies are networked into the USA power structure. Amazon is founded by direct descendants of DARPA's founder, google works with NSA a lot, inQtel BS, etc.

[Guest]

The world structure exists in interactions between trillions of dollars of assets and leverage.

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Yep, but I disagree with the second part of this only because there are always good ideas out there that haven't been tried. That said, even if you had a genius idea that earned you 10 billion USD of assets/leverage that is a drop in the bucket compared to the scale of the world. This is the part of your post that needs to be highlighted even more: the powers that be think in tens or hundreds of billions of dollars.

Ideas don't make money.
You can't force people to give you money.

What makes money is a profitable idea, sure.
So you want to make a new type of car?
Great!
Who is buying?
How will you fund it, and then do you have the resources required?

If you want to create the new IBM, good luck.
Yeah it's an idea to make a better Nasa or build a Hotel.

You don't have hundreds of billions of dollars, and nobody wants to give you that either.

I think this is shitty advice. The value of media is in control and with a dropping population of salvageable whites there are fewer people worth spray-and-pray influencing. Recruitment should be like spearfishing not a shrimp operation.

People think there is more money in entertainment than there really is. It is a really small industry and not critical when the competence/demographic crisis sets in.

Capacity for the inevitable violence is good, violence anytime that the vast majority of our people are still protected is a bad career choice.

You're misunderstanding is how videogames don't require resources outside of time as an example.
Making videos or animations could influence many people, and make money.
If you don't know how to program, learn to or make friends who can make up for your slack.
Then you can literally turn zero resource product into money. Which to you is of course not an option.
I agree, for all the ideas guys in the world, many lack taste, ambition, skills, and even direction.
They wouldn't know how to make a good business, let alone a product. Many are more like followers than leaders.

The fact that you think making millions of dollars for making a media product is nothing brings me much doubt to your understanding on things.

I think that these simple models obscure more than they reveal. If I were well funded and attempting to ascertain the true structure of the powers that be, I would first concern myself with scraping photographs so I can genetically cluster every VIP in politics/bureaucracy/corporate. I would attempt to label/cluster ideology but put little stock in it at this stage. Then I would try to catalog exceptions to the naive expectations of a naive model inferred from this data. What conflicts exist intra-genetically or intra-ideologically? What is the easiest attribution of these incidents? It would be great to understand the world on such a broad scale holistically, instead of relying on a source here or there hinting at a schism in a faction without comprehending how that faction relates to other clans/agencies/companies and what truly motivates them. Some alleged factions like Thiel/DARPA/Musk ("German feds") might be negotiable while others like the quagmire of zionist NGOs/charities in Massachusetts might be inherently hostile in our current context.

You want to overcomplicate and easy to understand system. What I did was condense the simple structure of how our current society is shaped, manipulated, and working.
It wouldn't change anything to give exact names, locations, how many people, because ultimately that would change nothing.
You'd just define that the ocean is made of water. Then you'd act like it is a life changing revelation to know it is salty.

The point is that these groups aren't all united, but they tend to work together occasionally. It is a machine, a shitty machine that wants YOU to never succeed.

"Stakeholders" is a useful term.

When I hear hypothetical situations like this, I wonder what actually would happen. Could the company just leave, take whatever valuable employees would come along? Or, would TPTB send in the military, exercise a new aspect of sovereignty to tax their exit, etc? Everyone with a bit of power has drastic measures they could take, but nobody takes them because of how they change the rules of the game. I suspect the most dangerous part of developing power is overestimating what you can get away with. "Oh, I have blackmail on half the feds. I don't need to worry about law enforcement... oops, made too much noise and they need to keep up appearances so the rich of the third world can still think USA is a safe place to stash their money. All I can do is take them down with me."

Another aspect is that these companies are networked into the USA power structure. Amazon is founded by direct descendants of DARPA's founder, google works with NSA a lot, inQtel BS, etc.

In America it is generally known that big businesses are held at gunpoint to comply. Through bribery, threats, or a trip to Epstein's island. It is done so that we avoid scenes like what South America or China does when the government literally takes people hostage for trying to take their business to another country to have more success.

Currently the tax structure is that the business in America doesn't pay any taxes, and in return the people hired to work for you pay taxes.
Like a pyramid scheme really.
This system encourages businesses to give as many people jobs as they can even if it is pointless jobs and diversity hires.
When you create a new business you do not have this leeway, as this only applies to businesses of a certain size and income level.
They will make it incredibly difficult for a new business to overcome hurdles that they intentional impose to squash competition.

[Guest]

I will ask a fundamental question: Who is we? Anyone who wants can answer this.

There is often a dream, a romantic dream. Of some seed of the same nation existing within a dead nation. But that is not how organisms work generally.

It's already dead, it was dead before you were born.

If "we" merely means posters on this forum then that is fair enough I suppose. But I expect many are extending it to "fellow citizens" who happen to be "downtrodden" (buck-broken). I cannot think of anything more wasteful to tie yourself to. They are already dead.

The death of that one thing meant the death of all things, all collectives and all individuals. Then it became a battle of will to merely come alive.

The only reasonable answer to the question is one that cannot be said, ever, and is simply known implicitly by those involved. This is unsatisfying, perhaps, but it should not be so. To me, it seems more as if people are wanting for some direction in life...but there is no good answer to this. A million similar birds fly in a million different directions. One of them builds a nest somewhere that turns into a castle. It rules the sky. A million similar birds are welcomed.
Or in plainest terms: Nobody knows the direction of things to clearly. If you live a certain way, by certain principles, you will simply be a part of a group that does similarly. If you, or any one in that group, succeeds on some small or large level, the victory will likely be beneficial to you if you are in close enough proximity.

Someone will break new ground at some point, because someone always does. It will likely be in some unexpected way. I expect it will have nothing to do with computing whatsoever (as an example.) If you are capable of doing such a thing, that is good. If you are not, there is still no harm in attempting such a feat, because you might be wrong in your self-estimation. If victory is important to you, above all other considerations (family, prestige, etc.), then this seems a decent enough path. Or if you see someone who you feel is a natural leader for you, then it is a decent enough path to follow them. Why not? If such things are done with conviction and sincerity, then they are powerful inherently, and strange, unexpected things may happen.

It is unsatisfying yes. Because it is not a blueprint, or a theory, or a promise. But such things really do not develop in open forums, nor should they.

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"It is unsatisfying yes. Because it is not a blueprint, or a theory, or a promise. But such things really do not develop in open forums, nor should they."

well said. The reason I am so confident that there is new ground to break is that I am breaking some of it.

But, let us not take open forums for granted. We could set up robust IQ-gated forums that require persistent high quality content and/or proven monero donations to known facefag allies. You start out in the kiddie pool with the anons like me, then you get some rep and are invited into progressively more trusted circles that discuss business and operations as you become more mutually useful.

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How will you fund it, and then do you have the resources required?

If you want to create the new IBM, good luck.
Yeah it's an idea to make a better Nasa or build a Hotel.

You don't have hundreds of billions of dollars, and nobody wants to give you that either.

Allow me to clarify: there are billion dollar ideas with startup costs in the tens of thousands dollar range. Yeah a lot of industries are not vulnerable like that, so you can't prioritize the first idea that comes into your head. You probably need to hold off on the genius car manufacture ideas until you have millions or billions.

Your conversations flow like GPT sometimes. I think this might be because you are trying the win the argument or something instead of just making points organically. You are speaking with an anon. The anon you were just talking to actually left and now it is a different anon pretending to be the old anon. There is no more victory to squeeze or failure to flinch from here, only a conversation to be had.

You're misunderstanding is how videogames don't require resources outside of time as an example.

I want to make video games because I have some good ideas. But, it really isn't a good way to bootstrap wealth acquisition. Might be better than college if you are smart cookie and can work- most game devs are lazy and exaggerate how hard it is to make games.

Making videos or animations could influence many people, and make money.

Okay, look at how much money you can expect to make on youtube per view. The advertising revenue path to profit is at best an early stage bootstrap to get you some tens or optimistically hundreds of thousands in revenue. If you go this path I would recommend focusing more on generating a lot of content with little effort by exploiting quirks and arbitrage of the content economy. There are people who made a lot of money off text-to-speech youtube videos using content taken from previously obscure subreddits etc.

Entertainment is a pretty saturated industry. Look into how much money music- ALL MUSIC- brings in. You are fighting with how many other musicians for a chunk of that pie? If you want to do music or video games because it is easy to motivate yourself to work on them, go ahead. But if you aren't gifted in those areas, look into other things that require little capital investment.

A good place to look is the shady parts of the internet. People on the ethereum blockchain have bootstrapped their way from 0 capital by identifying inefficiencies in the ponzi scheme money flows, and paying their transaction fees with the profits in the same block. (keywords: MEV, immunefi, code4rena, sybil attacks) There is always a bit of obscure arbitrage to be harvested on parts of the internet that use captchas and IP bans, once you know about 2captcha, virtual private servers and tor exit nodes. The ultimate low-capital terrain is the darknet where everyone, even the biggest markets, started with no reputation. I would recommend keeping your hands clean even when you have a brilliant idea. If you found a brilliant criminal idea to make money on the darknet, how much better would it be to think for another few days and find one with no such risk? Also, do not trust failed normies on the darknet to set good standards for opsec they are low-level grunts trying to scam each other on telegram not genius hackers making big moves.

If you (unicodebro) learn how PGP works and post a public key, I will send you an idea that I have de-prioritized in favor of more certain, inherently valuable and profitable ventures. It will require some american/european stock trading, a bit of programming and some money to invest in the markets so probably a few thousand. No costs other than the stock investment. It should be legal but I am not a lawyer. It is not a trading bot or suchlike, I would advise against playing the stock market without an edge greater than your transaction costs. It will be easy to tell if it is working, before any actual investment into any stocks.

The fact that you think making millions of dollars for making a media product is nothing brings me much doubt to your understanding on things.

If I make a millionth of the USA budget, then that is big-picture nothing. In the small picture, that is my ticket to live life how I want and devote all my energies to making something big-picture. It should be inspiring how fucking big and expensive the world is.

You want to overcomplicate and easy to understand system. What I did was condense the simple structure of how our current society is shaped, manipulated, and working.

I should have stated my point clearly outside of my scheme for learning. When you say things like "this layer is beholden to this other layer" it seems rather pointless when the barriers are legal fiction superimposed over how people actually operate. I would prefer reasoning like "these rich families are beholden to these other bureaucrat families" because then we can actually learn lessons from recent history.

why are these institutions presumed to have separate egos at all? just off the presumption they have different names? I proposition that genetic and ideological character is more important than mere presence in an organization, although obviously an organization will attempt to balance an overall monoculture of their preferred genes/memes with the need to scale and employ less trustworthy talent.

For instance, the mormons have a good presence in the feds, allegedly not in the highest rankings or anything. Religions are lower than feds or companies in your model, but it is clear that whoever controls the mormon religion can influence the character and behavior of the feds a good bit.

Would the culture at google really be significantly different from that in a federal agency on a core level? Not talking open offices or loose lips standards. They are going to say they want most of the same stuff and support the same world order, and once the layer of currency is abstracted the payment google employees receive is living as an upper class in contemporary american civilization. You can't get that by moving to asia. They are all going to have an HR department with federally mandated HR culture. The whole in-Q-tel thing is relevant because (as I believe you have noted elsewhere) corporations and NGOs are typically just appendages of the government that through legal camo are able to bypass the bill of rights.

The point is that these groups aren't all united, but they tend to work together occasionally. It is a machine, a shitty machine that wants YOU to never succeed.

Yeah, but everyone knows that. A huge part of contemporary statecraft is devoted to keep the next napoleon/hitler tier genius from breaking into the upper class. You don't need to put all the groups in a hierarchical model to understand that.

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shills like you

Very amusing. Some edgy kid is going to tell me how Trump is the next Napoleon when Trump is currently being thrown out of the running for misdemeanors. I'm just trying to discuss reality and the practical application of power, it's not my fault you're an irony poisoned retard high on memes and chink garbage. I know the reason you don't want to continue rational discussion (you're out of arguments) so you don't have to pretend you're on some moral high ground. Glad I got you riled up though, your type is very predictable.

I don't know where these Nick shills are coming from but there's an entire thread on kiwi farms documenting the dumpster fire that is Fuentes and the AFrican movement. Sure we might need a facephag movement like his, but definitely not him. STOP polluting this thread.