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Hitler was replaced by a jewish impostor at some point in the late 1930s, as the Bible says best not to place your hopes in chariots or horses. God will never let you down...man will every. single. time.

(11-01-2023, 04:18 PM)The Green Groyper Wrote: [ -> ]Its already being treated as an insurrection college poli sci textbooks. I don't see why the Right should not own it. Rather than claiming it was the FEDS or ANTIFA that made the Trump voters storm the capitol.

“I am both too stupid to understand how to use the quote function and why we shouldn’t parrot the narrative our enemies create and support.” 

Election fraud is a legitimate concern. The election was rigged and stolen. Denying the fact that the government set up this whole farce to avoid this concern being treated seriously and then arresting unarmed protestors who would dare question this outcome is to play against the American peoples interests. Supporting that the government is illegitimate is much more rational than supporting that the government is legitimate and will not cheat again(because it will).

Again dumber than a bag of rocks(or just a libtard(same thing)).

"What about the small matter of the TRUTH?

Please do watch the videos of the incident for yourself, complete with conveniently placed cameramen and obliging security.

Others more knowledgeable of current events than myself, have shown how many of those involved were suspect. Perhaps one here can link you to the evidence."

So, which is it, did the Feds and Antifa make them do it, or was it an unguided tour? If so, why do we lament those who ended up in federal prison? If you want to publicly deny it was an attempt to keep Trump as president (if a futile one) for optics reasons, go ahead. I prefer to believe it was the White herrenvolk acting, if in a confused and helpless way.

"His exact point is that they are ineffective. Though, I think that is being generous. The people involved in these things are clowns. Whatever the groups once were. All you get is dress-up and worse now. How can you call it "work"? Sensible men want nothing to do with it."

Alright then, how do you propose we ever act in the real world? I'm open to any suggestions you have.

It seems you don't read any of the previous posts (including the ones you reply to) in the threads that you always happened to insert yourself into, either.

(11-01-2023, 02:58 AM)cats Wrote: [ -> ]Pirates are cool to those with young and adventurous spirits. Civilization is a biological phenomenon, the heights of which were built upon a culture that sent its noble boys out on their own to rape, pillage, and kill their racial enemies. In other words, pirates. No, this is not the same as a retarded pavement ape randomly choosing to stab a White kid in an alley.

Are retarded pavement apes noble and adventurous if they form gangs and do drive-by shootings, then? What about when exploding sand people create terrorist organizations? Every race is capable of forming small groups and pillaging what others have created. White civilization was great because we built a society which was policed by political order and military force to free citizens from such crimes, creating opportunity for scientific and cultural innovation. The statues BAP and august goon to weren't made by rapist marauders.

Quote:What, exactly, do you believe is contradictory between Nietzsche and the act of razing cities?

There's nothing aristocratic about it. The Wehrmacht were not pirates, they were regimented soldiers subject to a formal hierarchy. Ancient Greece and Rome had legal systems. Their empires conquered and occupied territory using trained and disciplined armies. Not even the Spartans "sent their noble boys out on their own to rape, pillage, and kill their racial enemies". The Koryos were a much more ancient product of truly backwards and undeveloped societies, not a social structure that would be possible or desirable to return to.

Quote:Quite the zinger. Maybe it'd stick if you had something to propose in competition to nudist barbarian bodybuilding besides the shambling, humiliated corpse of Christian nationalism. So spiritually dead and humiliated that its proponents have to come to the Amarna Forum to have an intellectually stimulating discussion, despite hating everything the forum stands for. Societies based around the male, his martial prowess, his intellect, his virility, his grounding in tradition and nature, look like Greece and Rome. Societies based around whatever nonsense you're peddling allied themselves with provincialists and communists to try and stop the rise of Hitler in 1920s Germany.

How about fascist White nationalism? We can idealize all of those virtues without promoting third world misbehavior. Nazi Germany was authoritarian and did not permit banditry.

Quote:There are few people with as much skin in the game as BAP. Despite the Fuentesite aspersions you've cast against him, he is a stalwart enemy of Judeo-Christianity and is treated by his "ethnic brothers" as such. Not even a week ago, Israelis were kvetching en masse in his replies over his statements on the wholly justified treatment of Jewish revolutionaries in the Third Reich.

Of course, as an intelligent and well-informed individual, he also understands that Jewish primacy is long gone in America, replaced by the primacy of negroes and their proximates since at least the '70s. The fact that organizations like the ADL are so anemic about getting
brown people fired over their support for the barbaric, ethnocidal terrorist group Hamas, if anything having to play second fiddle to negro interest groups like BLM, is proof enough of that. Thus, he wages war on the bigger threat to Aryan civilization more regularly.

By "Judeo-Christianity" you mean Christianity, both secular and religious Jews despise Christianity. Just as BAP is not a Zionist, neither is he a White nationalist. What BAP wants most is individualist anarchy, he has no particular affinity for the White race beyond finding them convenient to grift. If another racial group was more amenable to his writings he would tailor his rhetoric to appeal to them instead.

I don't disagree that Jewish influence is sometimes overstated, but Christianity isn't much of a threat anyway, libtards and browns are much worse. Most White Christians are good people who may have been victimized by subversive propaganda that has corrupted their church. I would argue that faith is protecting their innermost identity while the rest of their worldview crumbles to weakness. A large number of White Christians can probably be saved, most libtards have been too mentally damaged to recover, and non-Whites simply must go.

When BAP says that libertarianism would be de facto white supremacy (false), he says this because he wants White nationalists to support libertarianism, not because he wants to achieve a White ethnostate through libertarianism.

As said earlier, divergence on the subject of divergence. Permanent blindness, willful, non-willful, it all ends the same way.

(11-01-2023, 08:09 PM)Mason Hall-McCullough Wrote: [ -> ]Are retarded pavement apes noble and adventurous if they form gangs and do drive-by shootings, then? What about when exploding sand people create terrorist organizations? Every race is capable of forming small groups and pillaging what others have created. White civilization was great because we built a society which was policed by political order and military force to free citizens from such crimes, creating opportunity for scientific and cultural innovation. The statues BAP and august goon to weren't made by rapist marauders.

Hamas are the ones that embody the real spirit of the Bronze Age, right? 

The difference between these groups and Whites is that "retarded pavement apes" and "exploding sand people" can't actually create a functioning, lasting civilisation that anyone, let alone their own people, want to live in after they aimlessly kill everyone and destroy all the infrastructure that only those people they just killed know how to build and maintain. I get it, though. We're White, so we have to be civil and hope that they respectfully abide when we politely ask them to leave our countries. 

It's easy to lose a fight when your hands are being held down behind your back. It's not really much of a fight at all. But if it was... 

(11-01-2023, 08:09 PM)Mason Hall-McCullough Wrote: [ -> ]There's nothing aristocratic about it. The Wehrmacht were not pirates, they were regimented soldiers subject to a formal hierarchy. Ancient Greece and Rome had legal systems. Their empires conquered and occupied territory using trained and disciplined armies. Not even the Spartans "sent their noble boys out on their own to rape, pillage, and kill their racial enemies". The Koryos were a much more ancient product of truly backwards and undeveloped societies, not a social structure that would be possible or desirable to return to.

It's entirely aristocratic. Imposition of "rule" by the "most fit". In nature, the lion is the undisputed King of his realm because he has the superiority to do whatever he wants to anyone and anything he chooses. It's only when he's locked behind the glass wall do the worms and other lowly beasts become confident enough to mock and jeer at him, falsely believing that they are his betters. 

Quote:[68] "... Here is my vision of the true justice, the justice of nature: the zoos opened, predators unleashed by the dozens, hundreds.... four thousand hungry wolves rampaging on streets of these hive cities, elephants and bison stampeding, the buildings smashed to pieces, the cries of the human bug shearing through the streets as the lord of beasts returns."

It's becoming obvious that mostly every person that comes on here to criticise BAP, being as vain and dull as they are, has never even actually read his book.

Anyway, you know the title is Bronze Age Mindset, not RETVRN AETAS CLASSICVM, right? 

(11-01-2023, 08:09 PM)Mason Hall-McCullough Wrote: [ -> ]How about fascist White nationalism? We can idealize all of those virtues without promoting third world misbehavior. Nazi Germany was authoritarian and did not permit banditry.

"REAL fascist White nationalism hasn't been tried." This is how you sound. Did you not read Striped's post above? 

(11-01-2023, 08:09 PM)Mason Hall-McCullough Wrote: [ -> ]If another racial group was more amenable to his writings he would tailor his rhetoric to appeal to them instead.

Yes, I'm sure that if another racial group existed that was solely responsible for every single meaningful contribution ever made to humanity, he would probably see them as superior and worthy of admiration. To my knowledge, no such group exists. The Japanese? He likes and speaks fondly of them too. 

(11-01-2023, 08:09 PM)Mason Hall-McCullough Wrote: [ -> ]A large number of White Christians can probably be saved, most libtards have been too mentally damaged to recover, and non-Whites simply must go.

Are you talking about the White Christians that go out of their way to let Joel Osteen steal the last pennies of pocket change that they can scrape together from under their couch cushions and center console cup holders? Or maybe you're talking about the ones that are 'turned off' by President Donald J. Trump's 'rhetoric' and would rather 'vote' for either of two punjabs or a disloyal and ungrateful greaseball (you know, Real American Conservatives), just so they can pretend that they have 'values' and 'standards' and aren't like those low-class MAGA supporters. All of this while abandoning the state that their family has lived in for years to relocate to Florida because it's a 'Red State'. Yeah... "Populism" sounds awesome -- being forced to bend to the will of those people.

(11-01-2023, 10:10 PM)august Wrote: [ -> ]The difference between these groups and Whites is that "retarded pavement apes" and "exploding sand people" can't actually create a functioning, lasting civilisation that anyone, let alone their own people, want to live in after they aimlessly kill everyone and destroy all the infrastructure that only those people they just killed know how to build and maintain. I get it, though. We're White, so we have to be civil and hope that they respectfully abide when we politely ask them to leave our countries.

Okay, that's what I said. Barbarian pirates would indeed aimlessly kill everyone and destroy all the infrastructure. Last sentence is a strawman, I never said we have to politely ask browns to leave. We should force them to leave, which requires a military dictatorship, which is at odds with BAP's anarchist vision.

Quote:It's entirely aristocratic. Imposition of "rule" by the "most fit". In nature, the lion is the undisputed King of his realm because he has the superiority to do whatever he wants to anyone and anything he chooses. It's only when he's locked behind the glass wall do the worms and other lowly beasts become confident enough to mock and jeer at him, falsely believing that they are his betters. 

Quote:[68] "... Here is my vision of the true justice, the justice of nature: the zoos opened, predators unleashed by the dozens, hundreds.... four thousand hungry wolves rampaging on streets of these hive cities, elephants and bison stampeding, the buildings smashed to pieces, the cries of the human bug shearing through the streets as the lord of beasts returns."

It's becoming obvious that mostly every person that comes on here to criticise BAP, being as vain and dull as they are, has never even actually read his book.

Anyway, you know the title is Bronze Age Mindset, not RETVRN AETAS CLASSICVM, right?

I'm not reading that subliterate shit. But this quote is very stupid on its own, I don't know how you can defend it. I don't want "predators unleashed by the hundreds", I want a military dictatorship where "hungry wolves" (70 IQ recidivist sociopaths) are sterilized or executed. Do you seriously believe that letting violent niggers out of prison is going to bring about "the justice of nature" in the way that you want?

Genetic fitness is not an absolute metric, which creatures nature ends up considering to be "the most fit" is dependent on the particular ecosystem they belong to. Changing the ecosystem changes what "genetic fitness" means. Abolishing the rule of law and letting civilization collapse favors backwards lesser creatures, which should be obvious because this would represent a step backwards in time and civilizational development. Fair skin, facial symmetry, or additional IQ points above 80 do not provide much benefit to an individual whose lifestyle is centered around gang violence.

When we talk about genetic superiority we have a specific absolute in mind: intelligence, noble personality, physical strength, beauty. Our job is to create an environment that selects for these traits, either directly or indirectly. Turning the US into a third world shithole selects against the majority of these genetic virtues, which is why inhabitants of third world shitholes are generally very stupid and ugly.

This is all common sense.

Quote:"REAL fascist White nationalism hasn't been tried." This is how you sound. Did you not read Striped's post above?

A bunch of retards incited by feds to break into the White House causing property damage is obviously not real fascism. Real fascism has been tried and went well until they lost a war against the entire world, and I don't see how that discredits it.

"I won't read it"
"But I will post about a quote that I have completely misunderstood"
"..."
"Why does he think wolves are niggers?"

(11-02-2023, 02:21 AM)Striped_Pyjama_Boy_Nietzschean Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2023, 01:02 AM)Mason Hall-McCullough Wrote: [ -> ]Okay, that's what I said. Barbarian pirates would indeed aimlessly kill everyone and destroy all the infrastructure. Last sentence is a strawman, I never said we have to politely ask browns to leave. We should force them to leave, which requires a military dictatorship, which is at odds with BAP's anarchist vision.

He declares in BAM that military government is the only reasonable government. He follows Nietzsche in this.

That's surprising to me given what I've read from him, still not reading BAM. So why is he in favor of piracy, libertarianism, and lawless street violence again? This seems like more evidence that BAP is chiefly concerned with aesthetics that look cool and not trying to create a coherent philosophy.

"I will ask questions to get third-hand references about source material"
"..."
"No, I will not read the source material."
"I am very intelligent."

"What's a rhetorical question, Guestard?"

"Wolves are niggers"
"..."
"I am very intelligent."

By “pirate,” BAP means Odysseus, not a Somali with a machine gun. He uses the term because Thucydides says the founders of Greek culture were pirates, that profession being honored as a means of acquiring wealth and of keeping down potentially threatening neighbors. BAP argues that all high cultures begin as “barbaric” associations of piratical men, from the Romans, who were originally a raiding warband under Romulus (cf. the rape of the Sabine women), to the Germans, who held agriculture in contempt, to the Normans, etc. Civilization occurs when the warband uses its gains to begin a settled life supported by the labor of the people they’ve conquered. In the highest cultures, the ruling classes never quite lose the instinct for conquest, piracy, etc: the Italian condottieri, the Spartan or Athenian aristocracies, the French nobility, the Roman optimates — all of them practice courtesy amongst themselves and rapacity towards outsiders (to paraphrase Nietzsche in the Genealogy).

As others have pointed out upthread, BAP’s argument is that we no longer have a civilization. There is nothing worth “conserving.” Therefore, spirited men should exist in relation to our society as the German tribes in relation to late imperial Rome or the Dorian invaders to the Pelasgians. That is, small (at the moment, very small) groups of high-minded men should organize to take advantage of a decadent society to which they have no obligations. Later this could evolve to include conquest or the establishment of new cities or states, though this is, at present, impossible. He advocates for a certain degree of rebarbarization, both as appropriate to our circumstances and to regain some of the vitality lost to over socialization, that vitality being the prerequisite to real culture, which does not and cannot exist now, but for which he would like to lay the foundations.

Where this rebarbarization differs from a Somali with a machine gun is in the hierarchy and discipline required by these small groups, and in the superior intelligence and grace of the people who make them up, traits which BAP would like to see enforced and selected for among people who read his book. Hence the episodes of CR about cuisine, aesthetic eugenics, art criticism, etc.

This not Stormfront or a wignat forum. “Wehrmacht GOOD therefore freedom BAD and SOCIALISM good as long as it is REICHY ANTI ZIONIST SOCIALISM good and BAP bad” is not a vector of argument in this sphere.

“Expelling the BROWNS requires a FASHY COMMUNIST MILITARY DICTATORSHIP”

Actually no. The current quite totalitarian and militarized State is what currently prevents expelling the browns. I own a diner on Little St. James and chase brown people out with a wooden spoon. You could fairly describe this as “libertarianism and lawless street violence”. Regardless of semantics, it is a far more efficient and effective way of physical removal than epic fourth reich wehrmacht (the no cunny pay your taxes goy police). Hong Kong and Singapore are much more successful States than the third reich, minus the Asiatic bugman preferences.

(11-02-2023, 01:02 AM)Mason Hall-McCullough Wrote: [ -> ]Last sentence is a strawman

(11-02-2023, 01:02 AM)Mason Hall-McCullough Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not reading that subliterate shit.

It all makes sense now why you were quick to respond to my post about meritocratic academia in the Eugenics thread. Great example of the consistent problem that everyone has obviously noticed with those of lukewarm intellect that wander into this sphere. For all that they lack in perceptiveness, they senselessly overcompensate with sheer blind confidence. Much like how the same types parrot terms like 'eugenics' or 'high IQ' or 'degeneracy', the current fad of responding with "Gotcha! That's a strawman!" because you saw someone else say it starts to render the use of the term meaningless. Shrieking with a chimp-like giddiness when you get the chance to point out the "strawman" has become a strawman in itself. Even if it was one, and not simply sprinkling a little rhetoric here and there, why should I care about goody-two-shoes fallacy semantics when my interlocutor not only doesn't understand what I'm saying, but refuses to become even the least bit familiar with what's written in BAM while being so adamantly opposed to BAP? Not once in my life have I thought to be so proud about something I know nothing about. It's by charity alone that I've even continued engaging this, not because I think you've actually presented anything worthy of being considered a sufficient response to a single point that I or anyone else has made. Since I'm so charitable, I'll save you the need to point out to everyone that, yes, this reply is to the person, but only because there's really nothing of substance worth addressing otherwise. 

Like the good guest above pointed out:

(11-01-2023, 10:06 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]As said earlier, divergence on the subject of divergence. Permanent blindness, willful, non-willful, it all ends the same way.

(11-02-2023, 09:57 AM)Drusus Wrote: [ -> ]By “pirate,” BAP means Odysseus, not a Somali with a machine gun. He uses the term because Thucydides says the founders of Greek culture were pirates, that profession being honored as a means of acquiring wealth and of keeping down potentially threatening neighbors. BAP argues that all high cultures begin as “barbaric” associations of piratical men, from the Romans, who were originally a raiding warband under Romulus (cf. the rape of the Sabine women), to the Germans, who held agriculture in contempt, to the Normans, etc. Civilization occurs when the warband uses its gains to begin a settled life supported by the labor of the people they’ve conquered. In the highest cultures, the ruling classes never quite lose the instinct for conquest, piracy, etc: the Italian condottieri, the Spartan or Athenian aristocracies, the French nobility, the Roman optimates — all of them practice courtesy amongst themselves and rapacity towards outsiders (to paraphrase Nietzsche in the Genealogy).

As others have pointed out upthread, BAP’s argument is that we no longer have a civilization. There is nothing worth “conserving.” Therefore, spirited men should exist in relation to our society as the German tribes in relation to late imperial Rome or the Dorian invaders to the Pelasgians. That is, small (at the moment, very small) groups of high-minded men should organize to take advantage of a decadent society to which they have no obligations. Later this could evolve to include conquest or the establishment of new cities or states, though this is, at present, impossible. He advocates for a certain degree of rebarbarization, both as appropriate to our circumstances and to regain some of the vitality lost to over socialization, that vitality being the prerequisite to real culture, which does not and cannot exist now, but for which he would like to lay the foundations.

Where this rebarbarization differs from a Somali with a machine gun is in the hierarchy and discipline required by these small groups, and in the superior intelligence and grace of the people who make them up, traits which BAP would like to see enforced and selected for among people who read his book. Hence the episodes of CR about cuisine, aesthetic eugenics, art criticism, etc.

I disagree with the premise that we no longer have a civilization, but this explanation is more nuanced and internally consistent, thank you. I think we can only be considered to "no longer have a civilization" when the political establishment literally does not function in the sense that it can no longer enforce laws, and it seems that the current degenerated state of affairs could be maintained for some time thanks to technology. So if modern artificially preserved civilizations no longer collapse on their own, and external force is required to cause them to do so, I think we might as well just use that external force to seize control of the establishment and reform it without causing unnecessary destruction of infrastructure. When considering modern examples, I don't see why we'd want to regress to an approach similar to that of radical Islam when Hitler is right there.

(11-02-2023, 06:39 PM)Mason Hall-McCullough Wrote: [ -> ]When considering modern examples, I don't see why we'd want to regress to an approach similar to that of radical Islam when Hitler is right there.

A real example would be something like the Italian Mafia or Mexican Cartels. It would be rational and leach off of modern “civilization” in a way that allows it to maximize its profits in a long term dependency. Urban organized crime. The Italian Mafia is an interesting look into a powerful organization that is essentially out of view of the government. It’s true that the Mafia has declined but as corruption grows in coming years a return to the kind of old mafia status of legend will be enviable, not to say that that organization will be the Italian mafia, but someone will have to fill that void.

(11-02-2023, 05:01 PM)Striped_Pyjama_Boy_Nietzschean Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2023, 02:37 AM)Mason Hall-McCullough Wrote: [ -> ]libertarianism

We had what would now be considered libertarianism until Roosevelt. Almost all the West was functionally libertarian until the First World War. The places in the world that have remained friendly to the free market, e.g. Singapore, Hong Kong, Switzerland, are comparatively good places to be White in.

It's well known that intelligent people like to be individuals with their own private space. A state that wishes to succeed needs to allow her intelligent men room to be themselves in some way. The Soviet Union spent greatly on the arts and sciences. They also had a state that was built on a philosophy, where at least basic familiarity was assumed, and its conclusions could mean life or death.

I have never seen one of the "Based Socialism" people, or populists for that matter, ever propose anything that would make the country tolerable again for the kind of person who wants to do things, like start a properly disruptive company, engage in political intrigue or continue a new religion in the desert...

We were also functionally White nationalist prior to the abolition of slavery and increasing enshrinement of the liberties of non-Whites.

Not to rehash the argument that was already had in the Ancap thread, but ZOG places few meaningful restrictions on economic freedom today. We are still relatively friendly to the free market. Intelligent men are more restricted by anti-White corruption in institutions (universities, megacorporations) that has extended far beyond the direct effects of Civil Rights legislation. I don't see how libertarianism would solve some of our most pressing problems, such as immigration. It's not like barbarians need legal permission to destroy and start anew, anyway.

Removing non-Whites would lift a huge economic burden that could simply be used to reduce taxation, if we had all this extra money I don't think it would matter much any more whether we were libertarian or socialist or whatever else.

Quote:

(11-02-2023, 02:37 AM)Mason Hall-McCullough Wrote: [ -> ]lawless street violence again?

I have never seen him advocate for that.

Considering the same man is being criticized by the Green Groyper earlier for playing down the effectiveness of IRL actions, you will need to provide evidence before I bother to take you seriously on this point.

I was referring to the passage august quoted from BAM describing animals loosed in the streets. I think it expresses a desire for undirected violence either way but I'll leave it to our Guestgods to decide whether the passage was intended as metaphorical or literal. I think BAP's vision will end in a lot of blood given how soft the average American is, anyway.

"We were also functionally White nationalist prior to the abolition of slavery and increasing enshrinement of the liberties of non-Whites."

Name one liberty enshrined for non-whites.

"Not to rehash the argument that was already had in the Ancap thread, but ZOG places few meaningful restrictions on economic freedom today."

Wrong + retarded + you are clearly trailer trash that doesn't participate in the economic sphere.

"Intelligent men are more restricted by anti-White corruption in institutions (universities"

AKA the de facto state, which is enforced by the de jure state.

"megacorporations)"

Wrong. Has been debunked many times, including by BAP.

"I don't see how libertarianism would solve some of our most pressing problems, such as immigration."

Ignorance is not an argument. Not that I would mind forceful expulsion of people. But the problems would sort themselves out.

"Removing non-Whites would lift a huge economic burden that could simply be used to reduce taxation, if we had all this extra money I don't think it would matter much any more whether we were libertarian or socialist or whatever else."

It would matter. Even without apes going around, socialists like you would find some other justification to put a crushing on financial burden on your betters, if you even needed a justification, which you don't, since you are clearly against freedom, financial and otherwise, on an ideological level, as are all leftists. See China, Russia, most of Western Europe. Completely impoverished countries due to socialism PROMOTED BY WHITES like yourself (PRESUMING YOU ARE WHITE), and despite having far more whites and far less odious nonwhites than America.

Btw are you vaccinated?