Age of Consent

[Guest]

^Gem. The white matter part might not even be true. I remember a twitter thread or blog post saying that “the brain doesn’t mature until 25” was the biggest and most unscientific scam in all of of neurology; it’s based on zero evidence. I wish I could find it. It wasn’t arguing against age of consent or anything, just exposing pseudoscience.

Yup. The hajnal line discourse is gobbledygook that implies the lifestyle of the peasant was ideal. 
From the youth book:  
"What this means is that these estimates are for common people, not the upper class like the Roman data. What were the marriage ages of the makers of culture, the elites? The scholarship on this question appears to be lacking, but there are enough signs that the upper class tended to marry earlier than the lower classes. A few examples may suffice, though no average may be established: 
Bianca of Savoy, Duchess of Milan was married aged 13 (1350), and aged 14 when she gave birth to her eldest son, Giangaleazzo (1351). 
Theodora Comnena was aged 13 when she was married King Baldwin III of Jerusalem (1158). 
Agnes of France was 12 when, widowed, she was married to Andronicus Comnenus, Byzantine Emperor (1182). 
St Elizabeth of Portugal was aged 12 when she was married to King Denis of Portugal and gave birth to three children shortly thereafter."

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Ironically this shitpost has the most true essence of any post in this thread. We don't live in some sort of hypothetical society where men need to wait in order to "gain honor" or whatever it is that Varg believes. Trying to enforce the social norms of antiquity onto the psychological framework of the modern day just leads to immense suffering. All women in first-world countries now are fundamentally broken and dating some autist twice her age that browses /fit/ is not going to change that. Forcing some kid in his teens to be without any relationship experience until his mid 20s is not going to create a functioning member of modern society, it's just going to create someone with a completely warped sense of self. In the past there used to be a social framework that would allow a young boy some sort of hope or another outlet for "becoming a man" but now there isn't even anything that remotely resembles a clan structure which could provide meaning beyond the satisfaction of immediate passions. Life is a completely social experience and no amount of autistic rationalization or abstraction can take being an incel as a teenager into something beyond just being a beta male, literally. Also, though it's not of immediate relevance, love matters a lot more when you're younger and it's cruel to deprive the youth of that. Speaking for myself, I'm literally soulless and can't view any woman I start a relationship with as anything but a utility. This is no way to live.

I think you're onto something more important here. That there's really no realistic outlet for erotic and romantic feelings at this stage in life that's acceptable to the ensouled. Every feeling guy I know has more or less had his soul shredded. This is not okay. That doesn't mean state mandated gfs. As you go into, it's a greater problem of meaninglessness and destroyed social framework. When all of life is rendered and declared meaningless in the greater scheme of things the disadvantages and humiliations of youth become torture for the sake of it, work becomes toil, not having is pure deprivation.

I don't ask for state mandated gf. But I would like to hear a good answer for why young men shouldn't. I don't think society has much of an answer. Only aggressive and baseless libtard moralism which is more abusive and enslavement oriented than anything christianity ever asked of us. There's no real promise of anything good in life anymore, just what you can chance into. It's amazing to me what people will tolerate.

You deserve 50 state mandated gfs fren!

[parsifal]

The lower men should be given communal Whore to share amounts themselves(I feel like they already have this). Higher up in humanity men should be guaranteed a wife because of their ability to contribute and keep the boat floating. The highest forms of humanity should be given harems of young teen girls who are the highest genetic material. 

... No, the government should have a monopoly on women and should give them out according to perceived worth.

i don't think anyone should "be given" anything by the government, and i certainly don't think the government should have a monopoly on something as important as women. that's called communism. the problem is that men have no freedom to play the sexual relations game on their terms, not that they have too much. it's already humiliating enough having to receive permission from the nanny government to do anything, centrally planned females are a step in the longhouse direction. this is basically long knife enjoyer thought.

[Reverend Moon Immortal]

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i don't think anyone should "be given" anything by the government, and i certainly don't think the government should have a monopoly on something as important as women. that's called communism. the problem is that men have no freedom to play the sexual relations game on their terms, not that they have too much. it's already humiliating enough having to receive permission from the nanny government to do anything, centrally planned females are a step in the longhouse direction. this is basically long knife enjoyer thought.

I think your conflating Communism with Totalitarianism. Communism is gay, “workers of the world unite!” And a legion of fat arms rise in cheer. Communism’s whole rhetoric is targeting the nature of the social-element, they also believe in other stupid stuff like womans rights. I would not disavow dictatorship on the grounds that Stalin was a communism thus all dictators must also be communists, the absolute sovereign from the leviathan, man creates god on earth, this is the only form of polity that allows an ideal to truly be realized. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

Also I don’t really want to play a game, I simply always want to win. Maybe it would be better for the private sector to be able to control women, but they are most definitely being reduced to property in any sane society. Buying my wives from a slave market is very Fallen Japanese Iseki Hero, It would be cool. Although if they are owned by the private sector this would most likely undermine a true eugenic program.

Also the longhouse is Brock Turner being attacked by two passing libtarded swed’s and then getting a rape charge. The main worry when hypothetically planing out rape is not avoiding arrest as it is avoiding the mob.(not that Brock Turner should have been charged, he did not rape, or even attempt for that matter)

[Handi]

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i don't think anyone should "be given" anything by the government, and i certainly don't think the government should have a monopoly on something as important as women. that's called communism. the problem is that men have no freedom to play the sexual relations game on their terms, not that they have too much. it's already humiliating enough having to receive permission from the nanny government to do anything, centrally planned females are a step in the longhouse direction. this is basically long knife enjoyer thought.

I think your conflating Communism with Totalitarianism. Communism is gay, “workers of the world unite!” And a legion of fat arms rise in cheer. Communism’s whole rhetoric is targeting the nature of the social-element, they also believe in other stupid stuff like womans rights. I would not disavow dictatorship on the grounds that Stalin was a communism thus all dictators must also be communists, the absolute sovereign from the leviathan, man creates god on earth, this is the only form of polity that allows an ideal to truly be realized. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

Also I don’t really want to play a game, I simply always want to win. Maybe it would be better for the private sector to be able to control women, but they are most definitely being reduced to property in any sane society. Buying my wives from a slave market is very Fallen Japanese Iseki Hero, It would be cool. Although if they are owned by the private sector this would most likely undermine a true eugenic program.

You are stuck in a modernist systems-oriented dichotomy between "government assignment" and "wholesale private auction". You are forgetting that the best place to buy a woman is from the original owner, her father. He's just about the only person on earth with a real incentive to keep her in good condition; if he dies or becomes incapacitated then maybe his brother will shoulder that burden, but nobody else.

The solutions you describe are good for warbrides and illegitimate sluts-by-birth. Those are the kind of women you take if you're low on the totem pole or if you want to add an extra woman. Better than nothing in a pinch, but you don't want to make it the default for the civic core and the elite. It should comprise at most a marginal portion of all transactions.

[Guest]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

"The ages of consent vary by jurisdiction across Europe. The ages of consent are between 14 and 18. The vast majority of countries set their ages in the range of 14 to 16; only four countries, Cyprus (17), Ireland (17), Turkey (18) and Vatican City (18), do not fit into this pattern. The laws can also stipulate which specific activities are permitted or specify the age at which one or other sex can legally participate. The highlighted age is that from which a young person can lawfully engage in a non-commercial sexual act with an older person, regardless of their age difference, provided the older one is not in a position of power, a relative, or is committing another form of exploitation (such as abuse of power or dependence). In some jurisdictions, including Italy and Hungary, there are exemptions if the age difference is within prescribed bounds. All jurisdictions in Europe have equal and gender-neutral age limits"

[Guest]

Since the age of consent was raised in japan,these twitter threads explain why it's a bad thing,it says that despite that it's not going to change very much the sexual life of young people,their cultural effects are going to be bad,especially in anime and manga and it's going to cause a a censorship among gravure models and lolicon artists..."Culturally Japan will lose one of their main differences with the West. That is their acceptance of sex as a natural part of life instead of something degenerate. All eroticism, even in thought, will be at risk. And especially if it implies younger humans."

https://archive.is/YpH5o
https://archive.ph/1Bc5y

[NuclearAbsolutist]

Since the age of consent was raised in japan,

It wasn't, Western media such as the based anime Mexican your linking here simply have yet to figure out they have lower courts or laws that technically apply on the national level but have long been overruled by the prefecture level.

[Guest]

Being a boy in school and having your female peers fuck older men is humiliating.

This wasn't a problem when prostitution was legal. Also see that post about boys working and being independent much earlier.

[Lindenbaum]

Being a boy in school and having your female peers fuck older men is humiliating.

This wasn't a problem when prostitution was legal. Also see that post about boys working and being independent much earlier.

With our current state of affairs, I can see why you would support such a thing. Modern "education" should probably be scrapped entirely at this point.

But if we are talking about an ideal state where retards aren't in charge, I don't think "boys working much earlier" is something desirable, I don't think boys should be working at all. Instead they should be in education (true education not modern brainwashing) until at least age 18-20, sharpening their minds and training their bodies, not doing “work”. We could have a proper education system that sculpts its students into marble gods of immense power and intellect, I think this is a noble aim.




Exceptions could be made in the case of for example a fiercely independent genius or naturally talented businessman who just wants to start a business without going through an education system that is largely irrelevant to him. Yes, let them leave education early. 

As for work, leave that to women, machines and shudras. They are the ones with nothing better to do.