Now that I've seen 3 posts in the same vein, I have the material required for proper interjection. This is at the risk of sounding quite standoffish to what are, ultimately, very reasonable and sensible suggestions- I beg for your patience.
(03-20-2023, 08:37 PM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]Unfortunately the pathways for people like us to get anywhere in life have largely been destroyed, or at least heavily disrupted. The further this progresses the more urgently something must be done and the harder it gets to do anything. Comparisons to someone like Tate aren't really helpful, it's far easier to rob and exploit than to build. And if you're here you probably don't have the disposition to start ripping the copper wire out of the walls of society.
(03-22-2023, 10:41 AM)honey moon groyper Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2023, 08:37 PM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]Unfortunately the pathways for people like us to get anywhere in life have largely been destroyed, or at least heavily disrupted. The further this progresses the more urgently something must be done and the harder it gets to do anything. Comparisons to someone like Tate aren't really helpful, it's far easier to rob and exploit than to build. And if you're here you probably don't have the disposition to start ripping the copper wire out of the walls of society.
I agree with much of your sentiment, but I think these disruptions you refer to have been largely exaggerated. Let's look at one lexample to illustrate: the military. Military careers would have been a natural home for many of us in previous generations, but we now generally feel unwelcome. Doubtless, recruiting efforts and internal HR policy has shifted the military decidedly further away from being pro-Sensitive Young Man. It would be rash, however, to assume that the military is no longer a good option for us anymore. Consider a few things,
- The demographics (among officers, which you should try to be if you have a college degree) is still majority white and male. If you have a bachelor's degree (doesn't matter from where, it could even be online, as long as you have a GPA>2.5) and are reasonably in shape, then you can commission as an officer in the military.
- As a freshly commissioned 23 year old officer in any branch of the military, you will have a secret level government security clearance. This does not mean you get nuke codes. It's just an extremely thorough background and psychological check. Private sector employers will typically obtain these for their employees at a price of tens of thousands of dollars so that they can work on government contracts. When you leave the military after four years (typical minimum contract length) you will retain that secret clearance and therefore be that much more valuable in the labor market.
- An often overlooked part of the diversity hiring programs at the largest corporations is that veterans get included as an underrepresented demographic.
https://www.amazon.jobs/en/military
https://veterans.force.com/s/
https://careers.google.com/programs/veterans/
etc.
You Too Can Be a Diversity Success Story
Get a degree (do something easy like English, Spanish, or business administration) from a shit-tier online school (https://www.gcu.edu/degree-programs/online-degrees)
Maintain a 3.0 GPA
Be able to to do 15 pullups without coming off the bar (if you cannot do a single pull up, then it will take you a year of consistent training to get here)
Go to your local military officer recruiter. If you google search military recruitment, then most of your results will be for enlistment rather than officer commissions. You need to find the officer recruitment office. Ask the recruiter to verify all of the relevant details I am presenting here. Tell him you think the military will help you start your career.
After you serve four years in the military doing logistics or communications or cyber infrastructure and obtaining a secret clearance, you can easily get a comfy 150k/year starting normie corporate job in nearly any part of the country. You can also continue to do reserve duty for the military so you get the best and cheapest health insurance in the country. That corporate job will give you the freedom to save money so you can do the Things That Really Matter.
The path I have laid out here for the next 6-8 years is doable for 90% of us. It requires a small amount (you can likely take out less than $30k in loans if you do not work during school at all) of debt (which the military will help pay off) to get a college degree (if you do community college to get an associates and then two years at a university it will be even lower.)
This is just one example. There are plenty of others outside the military as well.
P.S. I am not as familiar with the British or other Euro militaries, but I think it works similarly. Most western militaries are big into the whole professional-development-as-recruitment-strategy.
(03-24-2023, 10:13 PM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]I know a couple of guys with light military experience in my country. I don't think either will become officers, but they seem to have enjoyed themselves and gotten something out of the experience.
How I think I would sell this, what it has to offer to most people, is that it's a very productive way for a young guy to spend some time, learn stuff and get experience people will recognise, and it's likely not alienating to the point of inducing sheer misery. For my painful years of toil in university I have nothing to show. While for something like a year of army reserve training, they pay you, you get to spend time outside getting healthier rather than rotting in a box grinding fake work designed to frustrate intelligence and favour dull toilers.
Of course depending on branch and country, some military cultures are absolutely vile and will probably be more unpleasant than education offers. But something I would say everyone should consider. And not saying officer paths shouldn't be considered. What I mean is the military should be seen as a broader opportunity than that. I definitely think that these lighter runs would be very good for a lot of people. Less asked, less demanded, quite a lot potentially given.
The value I really see in this is as an alternative to the sleepwalking default youth experience after being cut loose from high school. That of some worthless non-STEM degree from shitcollege maybe paired with some slave-tier toil. Everyone I know who took that path regrets it. Practically designed to waste and ruin you and prepare your soul for the warehouse.
And of course, as honey moon says, if you're willing and able to put a lot into this kind of path, you can potentially get a lot out of it. Possibly set yourself up very well in life with far less contact with the poison of our time than most success paths demand.
It is possible that I read something into the contents of the above posts that isn't there; but the largest draw to politics for many young men is not a vision of the world as it could be, but for a hope of some security and stability. Most of the ineffective elements make this assumption first of all, and only after they assume that some kind of leverage or safety can be found does a plan begin to form- a plan that, often, only involves becoming one of the various cogs and gears of the decaying current society. We depart the original question (What is Winning, and how do we Achieve it?), and begin discussion of a separate question: (How can we Best Weather the Current Storm?) For polemical and personal reasons, I speak very strongly against the second, because most of that is simply "not politics"- it's similar in type to the homesteaders who say that "getting married and OUTBREEDING em!" is the solution. I don't believe a lot of that type of life-goal seeking is done consciously- it would appear that only recently have many of us realized the burden of expectations in a dying society that was placed on our shoulders, and there is functionally no other authority or arena in which the question of a good or satisfying life can be posed. Church, the Public Square- none of these are suitable anymore as an assumed context for which this question can be asked.
"The point is to get us to a place where we CAN support a Movement!" In which case, what is the issue with simply supporting a movement now? Hide fellow travelers under your floorboards, let them crash on your couch. Provide various cheap goyslops to marchers coming back from a day of protesting. Testify for the wrongfully accused in court. There are more than a handful of "movements" that exist already- if the issue was just providing support, then that's something that can take place already.
No, that's not the issue. The issue is likely twofold- first, extant formalized movements are headed and staffed by morons, who aren't looking deeper at their own desires and functions. Patriot Front, NJP, et al are VCR playbacks of all of the Greatest Hits of the 1930s, against a country and mythos engineered to thwart them- these are the more egregious examples. The intent isn't to blackpill; it's to point out that wider society has been indoctrinated for more than 70 years that anything approaching escape from the current Weltschmerz/Weltanschauung is not only pointless, but a valid target for scorn and ridicule- and more than that, uncertainty in potential converts. The psychological stew is very heavily biased against not only the New Worldview, but against anyone taking independent action on true conviction. "Play Along, Play Nice, Keep Hands To Yourself" is the default assumption, and without fail, to be involved with big-P Politics entails that one plays around this rule. Being led by morons leads to another problem- talent and manpower depletion from the actual Great Group which will achieve what needs to be done. No truly Great, or even Notable man will be drawn into these organizations, but it leads to an impression of Organizations being a bit of a waste.
The second problem is much simpler- the question "How do We Win?" presupposes another question; "What does it mean to Win?" IMO, this is what makes Mikka so stunning- he came with an unapologetic, unadulterated Vision of Victory in Meritocracy, as well as the step immediately before it. Extant groups don't have any sense of the New Worldview, and so most of their marches, their manifestos, are weak and confused- they're only reacting to current events, there's no follow-thru. In that light; does Winning mean waiting for 30 years for partner at some law firm run by obese Xers, or waiting for a promotion to middle-management at some real-estate company?
Most of the effective action will be primarily a gray-and-blackmarket affair- oversights, as well as outright scofflaw attitudes towards certain aspects of the State. Many of the laws as-they-are, especially EEO law, will need to be entirely ignored as a result of what they are. Many personal risks will have to be taken to reach the capital and power required for even the most measly of goals under the current regime- thankfully, there is no safe road to even the middle class anymore; so those capable of imagining and executing their greatest dreams, are the ones who are going to get closer to Winning, than those who only look for job openings.