10-13-2022, 07:29 PM
Are you and your "wife" castrated? Is there a lot of discord between mutilated and intact trannies in the discords? Are these two qualitatively different personality types or the same insanity distanced by order of magnitude?
(10-13-2022, 07:29 PM)BillyONare Wrote: [ -> ]Are you and your "wife" castrated?
Quote: Is there a lot of discord between mutilated and intact trannies in the discords?
Quote:Are these two qualitatively different personality types or the same insanity distanced by order of magnitude?
(10-13-2022, 07:40 PM)chungus Wrote: [ -> ]Is transgenderism inherently a political identity?
Quote:Do you think there's a difference between transgender lesbians and "straight" trannies?
(10-13-2022, 07:23 PM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ]Gender exists on top of sex - it is the higher level process whose form jointly-shaped by the underlying biological components and the ambient culture.
Quote:To people who aren't psychosexually deformed, male and female social roles are just a basic constraint of existence and not something that has to be obsessed over and willfully materialized one way or the other.If this were actually still true I feel like it'd be impossible for this issue to reach the point it's at. If male and female social roles are a 'constraint', why aren't people constrained?
Quote:Given that I am a man, acting in certain ways will advance my position toward achieving my goals; other behaviors will tend to harm my positionWhat does being a man have to do with this?
Quote:I observe that I certain problems or situations happen to me because I'm a man, and yet the idea that I could solve or otherwise separate myself from these circumstances by PRETENDING OTHERWISE is not the product of a sound mind.I feel like you've misread the issue. I don't believe that the issue is a desire to escape from male circumstances and inhabit female ones. As I've suggested above, sex-determined social constraints don't exist anymore.
Quote:"Being a carpenter is largely performative."These all sound reasonable. Even tall guys learn the 'tall guy' jokes, appropriate responses, etc.
"Being the president is largely performative."
"Being 6'2" is largely performative."
Quote:You take certain actions that are likelier to advance a goal; you develop certain attitudes that make it easier to act; you present a context-appropriate aspect of oneself to interface with society; you cultivate certain habits in response to immutable constraints on your life.What are some things you believe to be "immutable constraints on your life" that stem from your sex in the 21st century? I personally don't really believe that there are any and I believe that this has been observable for some time. Ivan Illich wrote his book 'Gender' suggesting this was already pretty much complete in America in 1982. I feel like you even say things that lead to this conclusion in this post.
Quote:The carpenter is a functional skill, the president is an executive decisionmaker with ceremonial duties, and being a certain height is just a physical fact. Manhood is all three of these thingsThis is approaching how Illich defined our old true gender roles. Ceremonial roles and duties, skills, obligations. Social life is organised around you doing particular things and not doing other things. This is no longer true. Man no longer has a social essence.
Quote:Man and woman are simply a pre-existing fact of reality
Quote:At certain levels extreme autism, both men and women fail utterly in their performance and you can witness something close to the absolute ungendered ideal: Overweight, messy hair, sweatshirt and sweat pants, awkward cadence, and extreme physical clumsiness.
(10-13-2022, 11:44 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]Gender and sex are synonyms. There is no such thing as gender distinct from sex. In every possible case, this definition of "gender" is an anti-concept. If your "gender" defined as such aligns with neither sex, then it's completely irrelevant. If it aligns with your own sex, then the distinction is entirely superfluous. If it aligns with the opposite sex, then it's incoherent: what makes the "female gender" female if it's fully independent of female biology? What is the "woman" that you "are" if not the woman YWNB?
Quote:...with apology invented by child molesters.
(10-14-2022, 02:42 AM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]Hello Zed. Do you think there is an impetus for men to transition into women because in their heads, they think of it more as "switching to the winning team", believing that men have no value in the world today and that the only value that can be found is by becoming a woman?
Quote:stepO: watch Yamada-kun to 7-nin no Majo.
stepl: watch Tatsuwan birdy decode.
step2: watch Kashimashi girl meets girl.
step3: watch Kampfer.
step4: Watch some episodes of ranma 1/2 and cheeky angel.
step5: If you still don't feel like becoming a girl watch tsf monogatari and residence.
step6: As a last resort you can try sissy hypno porn https://www.reddit.eom/r/sissyhvpno/wiki/index
step7: Go to a gender clinic if you need an official diagnosis at some point.
step8: Bank your sperm.
step9: Start hormone replacement therapy https://vintologi.com/posts/1808
steplO: Removal of unwanted hair.
stepll: Facial feminization surgery.
step 12: Social transition https://n2t.net/ark:21206/10025
(10-14-2022, 07:26 AM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]I just fundamentally do not understand what relationship there can be between the realization of a given behavioral trait that a person has being closer to the average of the set of all women rather than to the average of the set of all men (emotional variability, "crossing your legs" (lol), speaking quietly, etc.) - and engaging in any of the behaviors which trannies engage in.
Quote:Also, people speak about anti-"grug"-reaction, but the mental state of any such "grug" seems exactly as inaccessible as the mental state of a woman.You do get it. At least better than you let on. It's not about averages. It's about cultures and standards. And yes this is what I find disagreeable about tranny culture. What should be an escape from standards is diverted into adherence to a new standard. At least in the worst cases. Our new friend Zed seems rather open minded, even if in possession of a few strangely fixed ideas on identity.
Quote:Baseline Human: Those poor beings are still stuck at the level of Homo sapiens sapiens. Mostly associated with luddites, human supremacists, or other fringe minorities. There are however, a number of isolated habitats and polities, and even some reserves and parks, inhabited almost solely by baseline humans, which have shown themselves to be remarkably fecund in the appropriate environment. Nevertheless, their numbers have been slowly but steadily declining over the past several millennia, to the point that they are now considered by many observers to be an endangered species.
Quote:Virtuals encompass all sophont, sapient and sentient beings that predominantly exist entirely within virtual worlds. Many such virtual entities were originally embodied sophonts living in real, physical environments. Across the Terragen Sphere it is common for a physical sophont to spend time in virtual worlds, either by accessing a virtual avatar through their implants or by uploading their complete mindstate. However, for some, these are temporary visits, rather than the permanent state of those individuals. For others, they are born into a virtual state and remain in that state for an arbitrary length of time before becoming temporarily or permanently inactive.
(10-14-2022, 01:18 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: [ -> ]Orion's Arm - Encyclopedia Galactica
Quote:I would say that a common, and rather obvious, baseline in all of these things is a hatred of Nature and the Body, which also underlies Gnosticism, as some previous commenters have alluded to.
(10-14-2022, 01:18 PM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: [ -> ]I would put money on there being a large overrepresentation of this sort of Gen X, old guard autistic tranny on the likes of TV Tropes and whatnot.
(10-14-2022, 12:52 AM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]This is approaching how Illich defined our old true gender roles. Ceremonial roles and duties, skills, obligations. Social life is organised around you doing particular things and not doing other things. This is no longer true. Man no longer has a social essence.
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Have you ever noticed an autist who didn't even have the accent of where they're from? I think that's a good example of how all social essence is learned and performed, and can be lost. The point Ivan Illich wanted to make in 'Gender' is that sexually determined social roles used to be like accents in our speech. So effortless and fixed that it couldn't even occur to anybody things could be another way. Even if everybody couldn't perfectly align, you were better or worse by this standard.
This is the point I've been trying to make all this post and I think it's the most productive thing that this thread could explore.
(10-15-2022, 07:05 AM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ]I believe the telos here is one of new kinds of cult formations based around lifestyles. If earlier variations of the internet were structured in terms of disjoint subject-matter based communities, the current variation is oriented towards communities focused around a few central or pivotal personalities, who are increasingly attempting to find ways to monetize both their presence and that of their collective fan communities. The massive proliferation of paid podcasts and substacks has been but the first step in this direction, as the most game-changing aspects have yet to be fully explored - the potential to sell not just a content, but a complete and fully packaged lifestyle where the community/lifestyle itself becomes part of the product. In the near future - subscribing to your favorite influencer will not just bring you access to content, but private communities, micro in-group dating platforms, access to local meetups... etc. This will essentially endow certain influencers (or small networks of such) with an incredible and potent cult-like influence over their followings.
(10-15-2022, 07:46 AM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]Are you familiar with the comedian turned social outcast streamer and cult leader Owen Benjamin? He strikes me as a particularly advanced case. He basically started doing rightward jokes and comedy and reading about conspiracy theories, which started limiting his company and incentivising tight company with weird rightward internetpeople, then he got mindslaved during an interview with the charismatic E. Michael Jones. After this his character took a distinctly religious turn, his streams started getting more and more regular, and his regulars started getting more regular.
(10-15-2022, 08:08 AM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ]The most successful examples of this model have yet to come, but they will happen within fairly mainstream social networks , which I expect will provide all the necessary tools and integrations to make the experience absolutely seamless - one of the remaining pain points of modern social media.
(10-15-2022, 08:43 AM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]I agree, but with a couple more details. I think that mainstream social networks have more powerful effects because they link people more closely by geography than fringe networks. Q-Boomers are a more potent internet-spawned force because they can all just drive up and meet each other easily, because they're all from the same parts of America. And there are a lot of them. These are both because mainstream social networks are for less discerning crowds. As more and more people become socially unfulfilled neurotic cripples one will have an easier and easier time finding more influencers and more of their fellow influenced closer and closer to home, this will make that critical level of life integration more and more possible. And once this starts successfully happening the effect will snowball.
(10-14-2022, 07:42 PM)Zed Wrote: [ -> ]Experimentation on the body in the form of extensive surgical modifications, eventually neural implants, is fascinating. I believe it will lead to many horrors, some as of yet unimaginable - and it shall bring a new kind of hell to this world; but is that a good enough reason to turn away from it? I would like to know how far we can go down this path, and how deeply we can assert out will on nature... and... I digress, but... are we genuinely asserting our will on nature? Or is such experimentation simply the next path selection (read: nature) led us to? I hold to the latter and perceive zero tension here.
Surgery and implants compose the left-handed route - certainly, the one most glamorized by modern transhumanists - yet eugenics, sterilization programs, and designer embryos form a concurrent right-handed path. And both stand in mutual opposition to those forces which seek to elevate the body to a level of divine sacredness that forbids any conscious tampering. The opposition is that which lavishes human life and the human form with ludicrous value on account of its mere existence, and it denies us a telos towards greatness in immanence.
(10-21-2022, 10:23 AM)JohnnyRomero Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, I agree. I do not believe that these things (cybernetics, genetic engineering) are bad in and of themselves, but rather that they are improperly oriented in this particular tranny worldview. The height of human advancement and mastery of the world to make your Second Life (which I now realize is what the art on that site reminded me of - must investigate the Second Life-Old Guard Troon connection!) fursona real... disgusting! I dream of a world similar to a mixture of Warhammer 40k and Gene Wolfe's The Book of the New Sun, with a godlike emperor reigning over a vast interstellar empire striated by a complex, weaving, ever-shifting system of castes, ranks, and titles -
(10-21-2022, 12:29 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]Check out the Red Rising series. It starts as a trashy Hunger Games-ter YA about overthrowing an 'oppressive and cruel' genetically modified aristocracy, which has further genetically modified every subset of society according to it's will. After several books, it oddly becomes apologia for said aristocracy — as the author (via his characters) rediscovers democracy is shit. By the fifth or so book, the reactionaries are consciously written to be the most endearing characters of the entire series.
The rest of your post feels ripped from that universe. It's not nearly as topwit as Wolfe, but it is very fun.