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obscurefish Wrote:

anthony Wrote:

obscurefish Wrote:I think guys like this see too much of themselves in Dbdr and they're very uncomfortable with it.

I'm sure that these guys feel how shallow the "i am a loner samurai old testament sufferer who has no enemies" thing is. How little it actually makes anything better or provides "meaning" or whatever. But if they give it up where to from there? Very scary.

To me this attitude is the only thing that really deserves to be called "cope" because in its most malignant form it's just self-denial with no purpose. You have guys who react to their own unhappiness by attempting to convince themselves that their personal happiness doesn't matter for no reason. Dbdr is anathema to this attitude because even if he use questionable incelosphere lingo to do it he's just a guy sincerely expressing his own unhappiness.

People attack Dbdr as a "bad person" for expressing his unhappiness. Why? It really makes no sense if you think about it logically. If he's a "bad person", why should he be happy? Why does it matter if he's unhappy? If you sincerely want him to be happy, then you can't really think of him as someone who is essentially bad.

It is usually unpleasant to hear people whine and complain. I don't like it any more than anyone else, but the attitude that regards "whining" as purely a bad thing is an evil one. Whining contains an implicit regard for the value of happiness, whereas the subtext of what some people say contains the message that it has no value.

I've tried being friends with incels like this in the past. They are absolutely insufferable, no matter what activity you try to involve them in they will find a reason to start talking about incelism. You can't bring them around your real friends to socialize either, they directly embarrass you or get instantly chewed out by a normal person with a very low tolerance for their unpleasant behaviour. 
They are bad people because they are cowards. An incel is a coward, pure and simple. He will complain all day about how terrible his life is and how maybe suicide is the best way out, but he is too much of a pussy to actually commit suicide. 
Ask yourself, would a racially and spiritually healthy male accept a life of suffering like blackpiller incels say they have? I cannot see much difference between niggers complaining about not having more access to ypipo, jobs in da community nd walmarts nd shieet and an incel complaining about no state-mandated gfs and so on

ourokouros Wrote:I've tried being friends with incels like this in the past. They are absolutely insufferable, no matter what activity you try to involve them in they will find a reason to start talking about incelism. You can't bring them around your real friends to socialize either, they directly embarrass you or get instantly chewed out by a normal person with a very low tolerance for their unpleasant behaviour. 
They are bad people because they are cowards. An incel is a coward, pure and simple. He will complain all day about how terrible his life is and how maybe suicide is the best way out, but he is too much of a pussy to actually commit suicide. 
Ask yourself, would a racially and spiritually healthy male accept a life of suffering like blackpiller incels say they have?

The point of the post you're quoting is that complaining is not acceptance. Where does one go from the logic of your post? Stop complaining about your shit life and then... what? Just spend your whole life telling yourself your own feelings and satisfaction don't matter?

Quote:I cannot see much difference between niggers complaining about not having more access to ypipo, jobs in da community nd walmarts nd shieet and an incel complaining about no state-mandated gfs and so on

The difference here is that if you want people doing things for themselves (the most charitable reading of your post) the complaints of incels often tend to be far more equitable and reasonable. This is a stupid point. "You know how SJWs are always complaining about stuff? Well /pol/ complains about stuff too..." [I don't have the meme]

anthony Wrote:

ourokouros Wrote:I've tried being friends with incels like this in the past. They are absolutely insufferable, no matter what activity you try to involve them in they will find a reason to start talking about incelism. You can't bring them around your real friends to socialize either, they directly embarrass you or get instantly chewed out by a normal person with a very low tolerance for their unpleasant behaviour. 
They are bad people because they are cowards. An incel is a coward, pure and simple. He will complain all day about how terrible his life is and how maybe suicide is the best way out, but he is too much of a pussy to actually commit suicide. 
Ask yourself, would a racially and spiritually healthy male accept a life of suffering like blackpiller incels say they have?

The point of the post you're quoting is that complaining is not acceptance. Where does one go from the logic of your post? Stop complaining about your shit life and then... what? Just spend your whole life telling yourself your own feelings and satisfaction don't matter?

Quote:I cannot see much difference between niggers complaining about not having more access to ypipo, jobs in da community nd walmarts nd shieet and an incel complaining about no state-mandated gfs and so on

The difference here is that if you want people doing things for themselves (the most charitable reading of your post) the complaints of incels often tend to be far more equitable and reasonable. This is a stupid point. "You know how SJWs are always complaining about stuff? Well /pol/ complains about stuff too..." [I don't have the meme]

The point is that misery loves company and from my experience, these losers love to talk about their problems even when you try to break them out of it by taking them out to meet people, make friends, socialize and so on.They should refrain from complaining in these situations.

Whether they do things for themselves or not is their own problem. I know the meme you're referring to, but I don't think it applies to me. The world isn't fair, and the sooner sjw types (bioleninist dysgenic freaks) and mindbroken blackpillers (dysgenic freaks with mental issues) both accept this and work on themselves instead of crying about it the better it will be for everyone.

ourokouros Wrote:The point is that misery loves company and from my experience, these losers love to talk about their problems even when you try to break them out of it by taking them out to meet people, make friends, socialize and so on.They should refrain from complaining in these situations.

Whether they do things for themselves or not is their own problem. I know the meme you're referring to, but I don't think it applies to me. The world isn't fair, and the sooner sjw types (bioleninist dysgenic freaks) and mindbroken blackpillers (dysgenic freaks with mental issues) both accept this and work on themselves instead of crying about it the better it will be for everyone.

The trouble now is just that we're swinging back and forth between talking about an entire massive class of people and particular ones. Well actually it's worse than that, we're talking about people who try to cope through an irrational stoic silence and you started talking about "guys like this" and then complaining about people doing the opposite thing.

anthony Wrote:

ourokouros Wrote:The point is that misery loves company and from my experience, these losers love to talk about their problems even when you try to break them out of it by taking them out to meet people, make friends, socialize and so on.They should refrain from complaining in these situations.

Whether they do things for themselves or not is their own problem. I know the meme you're referring to, but I don't think it applies to me. The world isn't fair, and the sooner sjw types (bioleninist dysgenic freaks) and mindbroken blackpillers (dysgenic freaks with mental issues) both accept this and work on themselves instead of crying about it the better it will be for everyone.

The trouble now is just that we're swinging back and forth between talking about an entire massive class of people and particular ones. Well actually it's worse than that, we're talking about people who try to cope through an irrational stoic silence and you started talking about "guys like this" and then complaining about people doing the opposite thing.

Then to put it succintly, while I can sympathise with people who became incels due to the difference in modern standards - and wish them the best in their journey of self-improvement -  I don't like whiners and people who think they deserve concessions due to their inferiority. 

And if I'm not mistaken, the topic of the thread was about a person making constant videos about how much of a loser he is, not someone coping through an irrational stoic silence.

ourokouros Wrote:Then to put it succintly, while I can sympathise with people who became incels due to the difference in modern standards - and wish them the best in their journey of self-improvement -  I don't like whiners and people who think they deserve concessions due to their inferiority. 

And if I'm not mistaken, the topic of the thread was about a person making constant videos about how much of a loser he is, not someone coping through an irrational stoic silence.

You didn't just post, you were replying to specific people saying specific things. Again you're being very careless and slipping between different classes of people within statements.

This post takes a weird turn. The Good Ones apparently are all left to go on a "journey of self-improvement", and the rest are whiners or inferior. If The Good Ones are left behind by social developments why do they owe improvement? And what does this constitute? And why is that right? And if it's not right and they acknowledge are they now The Bad Ones?

ourokouros Wrote:I've tried being friends with incels like this in the past. They are absolutely insufferable, no matter what activity you try to involve them in they will find a reason to start talking about incelism. You can't bring them around your real friends to socialize either, they directly embarrass you or get instantly chewed out by a normal person with a very low tolerance for their unpleasant behaviour. 
They are bad people because they are cowards. An incel is a coward, pure and simple. He will complain all day about how terrible his life is and how maybe suicide is the best way out, but he is too much of a pussy to actually commit suicide. 
Ask yourself, would a racially and spiritually healthy male accept a life of suffering like blackpiller incels say they have? I cannot see much difference between niggers complaining about not having more access to ypipo, jobs in da community nd walmarts nd shieet and an incel complaining about no state-mandated gfs and so on

This reads like the usual foid making up all kinds of excuses as to why it's ok to mistreat 'nice guys' ("he's secretly a creep!"). I've never met incels who wanted to draw attention to their incelism irl, if anything they don't make it all about themselves since runs contrary to their plight, confessing to be an incel will just make others treat them worse. On anonymous forums yes, but irl? I have a hard time believing that.

anthony Wrote:

ourokouros Wrote:Then to put it succintly, while I can sympathise with people who became incels due to the difference in modern standards - and wish them the best in their journey of self-improvement -  I don't like whiners and people who think they deserve concessions due to their inferiority. 

And if I'm not mistaken, the topic of the thread was about a person making constant videos about how much of a loser he is, not someone coping through an irrational stoic silence.

You didn't just post, you were replying to specific people saying specific things. Again you're being very careless and slipping between different classes of people within statements.

This post takes a weird turn. The Good Ones apparently are all left to go on a "journey of self-improvement", and the rest are whiners or inferior. If The Good Ones are left behind by social developments why do they owe improvement? And what does this constitute? And why is that right? And if it's not right and they acknowledge are they now The Bad Ones?

They don't owe improvement to anyone but themselves, if they want to surpass their condition. Why is it right? Because in nature there will always be those left behind, and letting genetic dead ends die out is healthy. In past times they'd have died as cannon fodder pikemen, generally.

Illustrious Wrote:

ourokouros Wrote:I've tried being friends with incels like this in the past. They are absolutely insufferable, no matter what activity you try to involve them in they will find a reason to start talking about incelism. You can't bring them around your real friends to socialize either, they directly embarrass you or get instantly chewed out by a normal person with a very low tolerance for their unpleasant behaviour. 
They are bad people because they are cowards. An incel is a coward, pure and simple. He will complain all day about how terrible his life is and how maybe suicide is the best way out, but he is too much of a pussy to actually commit suicide. 
Ask yourself, would a racially and spiritually healthy male accept a life of suffering like blackpiller incels say they have? I cannot see much difference between niggers complaining about not having more access to ypipo, jobs in da community nd walmarts nd shieet and an incel complaining about no state-mandated gfs and so on

This reads like the usual foid making up all kinds of excuses as to why it's ok to mistreat 'nice guys' ("he's secretly a creep!"). I've never met incels who wanted to draw attention to their incelism irl, if anything they don't make it all about themselves since runs contrary to their plight, confessing to be an incel will just make others treat them worse. On anonymous forums yes, but irl? I have a hard time believing that.

I am a man, with a penis, to get that out of the way.
I haven't seen them tell strangers outright that they are incels, but I have seem them larp as /r9k/ irl which made the others draw their own conclusions.

ourokouros Wrote:

anthony Wrote:

ourokouros Wrote:Then to put it succintly, while I can sympathise with people who became incels due to the difference in modern standards - and wish them the best in their journey of self-improvement -  I don't like whiners and people who think they deserve concessions due to their inferiority. 

And if I'm not mistaken, the topic of the thread was about a person making constant videos about how much of a loser he is, not someone coping through an irrational stoic silence.

You didn't just post, you were replying to specific people saying specific things. Again you're being very careless and slipping between different classes of people within statements.

This post takes a weird turn. The Good Ones apparently are all left to go on a "journey of self-improvement", and the rest are whiners or inferior. If The Good Ones are left behind by social developments why do they owe improvement? And what does this constitute? And why is that right? And if it's not right and they acknowledge are they now The Bad Ones?

They don't owe improvement to anyone but themselves, if they want to surpass their condition. Why is it right? Because in nature there will always be those left behind, and letting genetic dead ends die out is healthy. In past times they'd have died as cannon fodder pikemen, generally.

But if they aren't complaining aren't they already more or less Good? What are they surpassing?

>nature
Nature Doesn't Exist Anymore. Nature is dead and we have killed him.
>letting genetic dead ends die out is healthy
You're only a genetic dead end if you don't have children. If you're suggesting that this is a process that always selects for The Bad Ones (what it seems like you're saying just trying to read this in context) then your thinking seems very tautological. If we live in a perfect natural system (we don't) then why think about anything? The Ick will lift us to eugenic utopia any generation now that it has been unshackled from the lowstatusdysgenicunchristlike preferences of men.

Are you a woman? I have to ban you if you are. If you're not you'd better write some more masculine (not stupid) posts just so I can be sure.

Quote:I am a man, with a penis, to get that out of the way.

So you say...

Quote:I haven't seen them tell strangers outright that they are incels, but I have seem them larp as /r9k/ irl which made the others draw their own conclusions.

/r9k/ irl sounds way more interesting than most people I talk to. If you care so much for the other kind of company you have an entire rest of the internet to occupy your attention indefinitely.

anthony Wrote:

ourokouros Wrote:

anthony Wrote:

ourokouros Wrote:Then to put it succintly, while I can sympathise with people who became incels due to the difference in modern standards - and wish them the best in their journey of self-improvement -  I don't like whiners and people who think they deserve concessions due to their inferiority. 

And if I'm not mistaken, the topic of the thread was about a person making constant videos about how much of a loser he is, not someone coping through an irrational stoic silence.

You didn't just post, you were replying to specific people saying specific things. Again you're being very careless and slipping between different classes of people within statements.

This post takes a weird turn. The Good Ones apparently are all left to go on a "journey of self-improvement", and the rest are whiners or inferior. If The Good Ones are left behind by social developments why do they owe improvement? And what does this constitute? And why is that right? And if it's not right and they acknowledge are they now The Bad Ones?

They don't owe improvement to anyone but themselves, if they want to surpass their condition. Why is it right? Because in nature there will always be those left behind, and letting genetic dead ends die out is healthy. In past times they'd have died as cannon fodder pikemen, generally.

But if they aren't complaining aren't they already more or less Good? What are they surpassing?

>nature
Nature Doesn't Exist Anymore. Nature is dead and we have killed him.
>letting genetic dead ends die out is healthy
You're only a genetic dead end if you don't have children. If you're suggesting that this is a process that always selects for The Bad Ones (what it seems like you're saying just trying to read this in context) then your thinking seems very tautological. If we live in a perfect natural system (we don't) then why think about anything? The Ick will lift us to eugenic utopia any generation now that it has been unshackled from the lowstatusdysgenicunchristlike preferences of men.

Are you a woman? I have to ban you if you are. If you're not you'd better write some more masculine (not stupid) posts just so I can be sure.

Quote:I am a man, with a penis, to get that out of the way.

So you say...

Quote:I haven't seen them tell strangers outright that they are incels, but I have seem them larp as /r9k/ irl which made the others draw their own conclusions.

/r9k/ irl sounds way more interesting than most people I talk to. If you care so much for the other kind of company you have an entire rest of the internet to occupy your attention indefinitely.

Nature still exists, if you know where to look for it. 
At least in my corner of the world, and I dream of it coming back worldwide.
>You're only a genetic dead end if you don't have children
Yes. No, I don't believe it selects for the bad ones, it selects for the fittest. This can be through either physical prowess (yeah rape is included), or through becoming a valuable member of society by forcing your way into a good career using your skills, your charm, and your knowledge of human nature. 
>the ick
A shit test women made up, it can be disregarded. 
>Are you a woman? I'll have to ban if you are
Banning women is based and no, as I previously stated, I'm not a woman

ourokouros Wrote:Nature still exists, if you know where to look for it. 
At least in my corner of the world, and I dream of it coming back worldwide.
>You're only a genetic dead end if you don't have children
Yes. No, I don't believe it selects for the bad ones, it selects for the fittest. This can be through either physical prowess (yeah rape is included), or through becoming a valuable member of society by forcing your way into a good career using your skills, your charm, and your knowledge of human nature. 
>the ick
A shit test women made up, it can be disregarded. 
>Are you a woman? I'll have to ban if you are
Banning women is based and no, as I previously stated, I'm not a woman

Nature doesn't exist. In your corner of the world you're on the internet talking to some of the most neurotic people on the planet. Nature is dead. You can say that wherever you live has and promotes human standards of living which optimise the entire human race if you like, that's a claim we can at least look at and all know what we're talking about.

>it selects for the fittest
As I say above what the fuck is the "it" here?

anthony Wrote:

ourokouros Wrote:Nature still exists, if you know where to look for it. 
At least in my corner of the world, and I dream of it coming back worldwide.
>You're only a genetic dead end if you don't have children
Yes. No, I don't believe it selects for the bad ones, it selects for the fittest. This can be through either physical prowess (yeah rape is included), or through becoming a valuable member of society by forcing your way into a good career using your skills, your charm, and your knowledge of human nature. 
>the ick
A shit test women made up, it can be disregarded. 
>Are you a woman? I'll have to ban if you are
Banning women is based and no, as I previously stated, I'm not a woman

Nature doesn't exist. In your corner of the world you're on the internet talking to some of the most neurotic people on the planet. Nature is dead. You can say that wherever you live has and promotes human standards of living which optimise the entire human race if you like, that's a claim we can at least look at and all know what we're talking about.

>it selects for the fittest
As I say above what the fuck is the "it" here?

By "it" I mean evolution, sorry for not making that clear.

ourokouros Wrote:By "it" I mean evolution, sorry for not making that clear.

I understood that, but I'm asking rhetorically what the hell that means? I don't want an answer because there's no way we can agree because it's not a tangible or present force, and neither is nature. We would just open the door to endless arguing over what constitutes real nature and whether or not real evolution has ever been tried. 

Evopsych is when you make a hypothetical caveman your god and final moral arbiter.

anthony Wrote:

ourokouros Wrote:By "it" I mean evolution, sorry for not making that clear.

I understood that, but I'm asking rhetorically what the hell that means? I don't want an answer because there's no way we can agree because it's not a tangible or present force, and neither is nature. We would just open the door to endless arguing over what constitutes real nature and whether or not real evolution has ever been tried. 

Evopsych is when you make a hypothetical caveman your god and final moral arbiter.

If you don't want an answer to your rhetorical question, how am I supposed to reply?
For the record I agree with the limitations of evopsych.

There is no direct evolutionary explanation for why the rats stop trying to swim. Take em out the water and put em back in oh now they can swim even longer wowie! Evolution has manifestly NOT optimized for an unbreakable will at the expense of some unknown benefit. Maybe BAP is right about biology being more complicated? Why would only one out of a thousand be stone cold determined, to survive where all the others perish?

Torture and kill traumafaggots, because I don't like them personally.

ourokouros Wrote:If you don't want an answer to your rhetorical question, how am I supposed to reply?
For the record I agree with the limitations of evopsych.

You can answer if you like but I think we just disagree.

Guest Wrote:There is no direct evolutionary explanation for why the rats stop trying to swim. Take em out the water and put em back in oh now they can swim even longer wowie! Evolution has manifestly NOT optimized for an unbreakable will at the expense of some unknown benefit. Maybe BAP is right about biology being more complicated? Why would only one out of a thousand be stone cold determined, to survive where all the others perish?

Torture and kill traumafaggots, because I don't like them personally.

I'm not really sure what you mean by this on several levels.

ourokouros Wrote:>You're only a genetic dead end if you don't have children
Yes. No, I don't believe it selects for the bad ones, it selects for the fittest. This can be through either physical prowess (yeah rape is included), or through becoming a valuable member of society by forcing your way into a good career using your skills, your charm, and your knowledge of human nature. 

Becoming a valuable member of society is considered "unfit" by your definition, because wealth and fertility are inversely correlated. The people who you would argue are "fittest" to survive and reproduce in modernity are degenerated, yeast-like lower life forms who survive off welfare or unskilled labor. Circularly denying the value of incels due to their lack of reproductive success doesn't make much sense when the people having the most children are obviously wastes of oxygen.

Contrary to the classic example of some species adapting to fill a niche in its natural environment of wind and rain and predators and prey, almost all the environmental selection pressures humans are subjected to are artificially influenced by our own highly developed technology and culture. This creates a perverse feedback loop which has resulted in the selection of many traits which are not considered "fit" by any common sense definition.

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Guest Wrote:There is no direct evolutionary explanation for why the rats stop trying to swim. Take em out the water and put em back in oh now they can swim even longer wowie! Evolution has manifestly NOT optimized for an unbreakable will at the expense of some unknown benefit. Maybe BAP is right about biology being more complicated? Why would only one out of a thousand be stone cold determined, to survive where all the others perish?

The answer is probably that being too determined has evolutionary downsides in some other common situations outside of that particular (unnatural) rat torture experiment. The explanation is probably beyond our ability to empirically understand or measure, but let's be careful not to countersignal science too hard and end up pretending that there is some metaphysical element at play.

Quote:Becoming a valuable member of society is considered "unfit" by your definition, because wealth and fertility are inversely correlated.

^Anyone else want to take a crack at why this is wrong? Beyond a snarky “correlation does not equal causation”.

Wholeheartedly agree on the rest of your post though re wastes of oxygen. I’m just nitpicking and it’s an important point to correct the record on.