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(12-27-2023, 06:20 PM)BillyONare Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:Becoming a valuable member of society is considered "unfit" by your definition, because wealth and fertility are inversely correlated.

^Anyone else want to take a crack at why this is wrong? Beyond a snarky “correlation does not equal causation”.

Robert de Niro is 80 years old and has an 8 month old daughter. This is to say that assuming Mason means to imply that attaining wealth (e.g., academics, work, etc.) eats into childbearing years, that is completely irrelevant as far as we are concerned.

>People are shit. Society is on the decline. What, you're complaining about something? That's just Nature's perfect machine weeding you out.

BillyONare Wrote:
Quote:Becoming a valuable member of society is considered "unfit" by your definition, because wealth and fertility are inversely correlated.

^Anyone else want to take a crack at why this is wrong? Beyond a snarky “correlation does not equal causation”.

I suppose because monetary wealth doesn't always measure how valuable one is to society and some wealthy people parasitically extract value from society, if that's what you meant then I agree it's worth pointing out even though it doesn't diminish my point.

Inkwell Wrote:The blackpill is the ultimate knowledge. All of these replies, these sneering, self-satisfied screeds are really quite ugly, because despite you lot being "intellectuals" and using all of these big words you still fail to see that at the end of the day your ideas are nothing more than knee jerk generic blackpill hatred and you are wrong.

The blackpill is supported by so much information and so many observations that it's not even funny. While there are outliers in everything and there are blackpilled chadlites who could get laid if they didn't read the BP too much no amount of anecdotes can disprove the truth of the BP.

"Oh bro he has no fire in his heart." "Oh he is too juvenile and stupid to understand the greater purpose I've found." Are you even listening to this pseudo intellectual babble?

Dbdr is a broken man who could get laid with some mediocre chick but doesn't because of a multitude of factors, most of which are not up to him to choose. What people here don't understand is that even the "Hyperborean Aryan Spirit" that gives you the grit and determination to work, "self improoove," keep trying or even find some other purpose to life is genetic as well! Not everyone gets born with the grit, and some get it beaten out of them by society because they are ugly/have a bad environment.

You can't beat human nature. Not even Hitler's perfect 1488 society can, and while it would no doubt be much better than what we have today you still would get starfish sex at most and your wife would cuck you with a better looking man than you. Hell, most of you don't realise it but you subconsciously treat people differently because of factors they can't change, like that one post where the guy says that Baaedescortcel's voice makes him hate him (JFL).

You try to come up with complicated solutions and answers that aren't even realistic because swallowing the blackpill would a) mean you're wrong and b), which is my assumption based on personal experience, that it would be too mainstream. That accepting any idea from someone else that you didn't heavily modify and that isn't very obscure would challenge both your sense of uniqueness and your belief in your intelligence.

But the blackpill will come to collect, as it does. Your only choices are to either prepare or stick your head in the sand.

the FUCK you yapping about nigga

Interesting game choice today. Seeing him power through this stupid meme game with the same apathy he would Dead By Daylight feels perfectly fitting (same for Telltale Batman of course).

He seems pretty steady in accepting that life is awful. He's 23 now and feels like things are pretty locked down and set for him. Options ahead are work and copes. Alcohol like his father, or drugs like the tools at the therapy program were suggesting (Zoloft? Zoloft?), chakra therapy womanshit, there's a long list. And beyond that of course, what does life offer him? He's learned a new word "Anhedonia". Will be interesting to see if he progresses to a more therapeutic understanding of his circumstances.

I was thinking about the warehouse job stories and arrived at a framework that may or may not be obvious and/or useful. I think a lack of opportunity for growth is the defining cause of the kind of entirely-environmentally-contingent-depression-that-I-have-no-better-word-for we see in men like dbdr, with "growth" broadly defined across multiple categories. It can be hard to see how this is the case because some kinds of growth are less visible, compared to the obvious example of growing your wealth.

In a dead end job there is no career growth, and most earned money is spent on surviving. Saving up to move to another city or go (back) to college generally doesn't seem like a realistic possibility. For many normies, this is still tolerable, because they feel like they can experience social growth through making friends, forming relationships and advancing to more elite social circles. But if social advancement is also inaccessible to a dbdr-American due to ugliness, no friends, etc., then life feels utterly hopeless, and they have no opportunity for growth of any kind.

Alternatives exist as certain kinds of solitary personal growth, which are potentially available to anyone regardless of how ugly or friendless they are, e.g.: bodybuilding, reading, learning, or creating art. The feeling of growth here probably derives from some sort of niche aristocratic lifestyle that happens to be available to the lower class due to an accident of modernity. However, if you work a full time job, you usually can't do enough of this for it to feel worthwhile. Working doesn't just drain your time, it also drains your motivation and creative spirit.

A NEET is probably in a better life situation than someone who is Jeremylocked because the NEET has lots of spare time, which makes available these opportunities for solitary personal growth. This probably isn't as fulfilling as regular social/career/relationship pathways, but it's better than nothing and most importantly provides a glimmer of hope that a better life can be achieved. However, if the NEET just stagnates, plays the same video game forever, and gives up on the hope that he can cultivate inner virtue, he might as well be working a minimum wage job.

Mason Hall-McCullough Wrote:I was thinking about the warehouse job stories and arrived at a framework that may or may not be obvious and/or useful. I think a lack of opportunity for growth is the defining cause of the kind of entirely-environmentally-contingent-depression-that-I-have-no-better-word-for we see in men like dbdr, with "growth" broadly defined across multiple categories. It can be hard to see how this is the case because some kinds of growth are less visible, compared to the obvious example of growing your wealth.

In a dead end job there is no career growth, and most earned money is spent on surviving. Saving up to move to another city or go (back) to college generally doesn't seem like a realistic possibility. For many normies, this is still tolerable, because they feel like they can experience social growth through making friends, forming relationships and advancing to more elite social circles. But if social advancement is also inaccessible to a dbdr-American due to ugliness, no friends, etc., then life feels utterly hopeless, and they have no opportunity for growth of any kind.

Alternatives exist as certain kinds of solitary personal growth, which are potentially available to anyone regardless of how ugly or friendless they are, e.g.: bodybuilding, reading, learning, or creating art. The feeling of growth here probably derives from some sort of niche aristocratic lifestyle that happens to be available to the lower class due to an accident of modernity. However, if you work a full time job, you usually can't do enough of this for it to feel worthwhile. Working doesn't just drain your time, it also drains your motivation and creative spirit.

A NEET is probably in a better life situation than someone who is Jeremylocked because the NEET has lots of spare time, which makes available these opportunities for solitary personal growth. This probably isn't as fulfilling as regular social/career/relationship pathways, but it's better than nothing and most importantly provides a glimmer of hope that a better life can be achieved. However, if the NEET just stagnates, plays the same video game forever, and gives up on the hope that he can cultivate inner virtue, he might as well be working a minimum wage job.

dbdr's latest videos are particularly depressing. It feels like nothing too much new can happen for him. Someone said recently about West Virginia types that life feels over around 19. I don't like saying it's over, but for dbdr one has to wonder what's in the cards. He does have his channel and loyal following, but it seems like with education and moves and therapy tapped all that's left is to toil and repeat futile moves.

For anybody inclined to end up here (this forum) there's enough of an inner life for something to happen even if mostly internally. I won't give up on any of our kind. But where does dbdr go from here? Or the dbdr type in general? dbdr actually seems to have more hope in at least one way, and arguably less in others. I think these both share a common cause in his nature, being naive, and not internet savvy at all.

dbdr is "angry". Aware of how shit his life and prospects are, but at the same time resolved to go forward. Trade school. Exercise. Probably needing to get his own place. The life of a man who won't neet or hustle is ahead of him. Probably becoming his father only without a marriage or children. Skipping straight to his post-divorce life. This video is actually a lot more forward looking than you'd think just looking at the title. He's open for *something* to happen in the future. He almost sounds like his mother there.

I am now completely caught up on all Dbdr's videos and after having spent all this time getting to know him (on 2x speed), I think that some of my previous notions about him as a person were probably wrong. That said, I respect Dbdr a lot. This new video touches on something that I myself have been thinking about recently too. Really, what is up with ghosting? I guess my simple answer is the same as Dbdr’s, no one gives a shit about anything or anyone other than themselves. And he's right that getting ghosted does suck, especially when you've been made to invest time and emotion into something. I'm thinking about it mostly in terms of girls and relationshits, since girls have no qualms about ghosting someone even after 'talking to' them for a not-insignificant amount of time ("tutorial mode"). I don't believe that they genuinely understand how much of a brutal impact this can have on the male psyche and how easy it then becomes to second guess anything and everything. Not 'getting closure' I believe it's called... Aidan discussed the concept of "surety" well and in a way that I think is relevant:

Quote:a 'girlfriend', a label as fake as love on antidepressants. And to have a woman does not mean that she is an obedient sex slave who never complains but is rather a sort of surety, an immense power and peace like the unbreakable word brother from which springs joy. And most men have never had and never will have a woman in this true sense and will never be able to understand you when you try to tell them ... now the world is closing in on you as if you are trapped in an open-air prison in which every attempt to escape is blocked by guards. So you take a rebellious pleasure in every petty act of revolt against it even now that you want something with surety, for the thing that you want is a thing that the world which surrounds you tries to prevent at all costs ... a cosmic and sinister conspiracy to keep a man from owning, from loving, anything.

(02-23-2024, 04:55 PM)august Wrote: [ -> ]What's up with ghosting? I'm thinking about it mostly in terms of girls and relationshits,

I wouldn't even say it's just because people are selfish, it's also because they're weak and obsessed with avoiding confrontation (Women obviously, are especially like this) Breaking a relationship directly is hard, it requires honesty, and a confrontation; you might see people get sad, or even worse, angry! There's a reason why we call modern dating the "sexual marketplace" people treat it like a market. You invest as little as possible to get maximum returns (The investment in this case, is emotions.). If you're not getting a return for your investment, it's foolish to keep investing. That's how these subhumans think.

(02-24-2024, 12:22 PM)Cyber Viking Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-23-2024, 04:55 PM)august Wrote: [ -> ]What's up with ghosting? I'm thinking about it mostly in terms of girls and relationshits,

I wouldn't even say it's just because people are selfish, it's also because they're weak and obsessed with avoiding confrontation (Women obviously, are especially like this) Breaking a relationship directly is hard, it requires honesty, and a confrontation; you might see people get sad, or even worse, angry! There's a reason why we call modern dating the "sexual marketplace" people treat it like a market. You invest as little as possible to get maximum returns (The investment in this case, is emotions.). If you're not getting a return for your investment, it's foolish to keep investing. That's how these subhumans think.

So in other words, it's not "just because people are selfish, it's also because [describes behaviour that is, by definition, selfish]."

Also I don't understand why you used the quote function only to then manually type half of what you were quoting incorrectly and also make a disjointed statement. I'm not saying this to be an ass to you, but because the parts that you excluded regarding the emotional investment disconnect were almost exactly what you went on to talk about.

(02-24-2024, 12:53 PM)august Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-24-2024, 12:22 PM)Cyber Viking Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-23-2024, 04:55 PM)august Wrote: [ -> ]What's up with ghosting? I'm thinking about it mostly in terms of girls and relationshits,

I wouldn't even say it's just because people are selfish, it's also because they're weak and obsessed with avoiding confrontation (Women obviously, are especially like this) Breaking a relationship directly is hard, it requires honesty, and a confrontation; you might see people get sad, or even worse, angry! There's a reason why we call modern dating the "sexual marketplace" people treat it like a market. You invest as little as possible to get maximum returns (The investment in this case, is emotions.). If you're not getting a return for your investment, it's foolish to keep investing. That's how these subhumans think.

So in other words, it's not "just because people are selfish, it's also because [describes behaviour that is, by definition, selfish]."

Also I don't understand why you used the quote function only to then manually type half of what you were quoting incorrectly and also make a disjointed statement. I'm not saying this to be an ass to you, but because the parts that you excluded regarding the emotional investment disconnect were almost exactly what you went on to talk about.

Sorry, I was only intending to reply to those two points you made, which is why I cut out the rest, I wasn't intending to be rude.

Anyway, yes their behavior is entirely selfish, but in a very specific and weak way. You can be selfish, and still not ghost. You can be cruel and try to inflict as much emotional pain on your former partner as possible; or you can be straightforward and honest in cutting things off. (This isn't contrary to selfishness, it's often in the best interest of people to do in a society where honor is expected. If you're not weak it isn't that hard.)

People's inherent natures don't really change, but how they're expected to behave is. (You already know this honestly, but I'm just reiterating.) So, people ghost, because of the way relationships are handled today. The marketplace. In a society where honor is expected, most people would still be selfish soulless NPCs inside, but they'd just be expected to behave in a different way, so they would.

I don't think most women can ever genuinely understand men, and I don't think most men can genuinely understand women either honestly. I don't think women will ever be able to truly understand how much it hurts a man to lose the one he loves. Men are the true romantics, they're the ones that make love into an abstraction and an idea, who glamorize deep romance and loyalty. Women, they are all about feelings. If the feelings are gone, there is no love. Because everything is feelings, there's no abstract concept of "soulmates" or whatever in most of their brains. Autistic women may be an exception, since they think more like men.

august Wrote:

Really, what is up with ghosting? I guess my simple answer is the same as Dbdr’s, no one gives a shit about anything or anyone other than themselves. And he's right that getting ghosted does suck, especially when you've been made to invest time and emotion into something.

As always with DBDR I find we are always getting one side of the story completely unexamined. He said their music was white noise and it was horrible, so why does he care that they ghosted him, which they didn't even do anyways? I mean 32 year old opera singer is PROBABLY a lie, but they told him something instead of a genuine ghosting. It seems like dbdr is always betraying his own instincts. The thing he describes here is basically the default flakiness of retarded not even really musicians being retarded. And his first impression was what they were doing was stupid and pointless and he was only participating for the hell of it. You don't have to be a giant asshole about it, but you could certainly at least try speaking your mind about it. He doesn't do this because he doesn't want to be an asshole, so he lies. Then they return the same behavior back because this is a day in the life of a lying socially agreeable asshole. Yes, it is constant backstabbing.

Obviously, the background to all of this is that there is no reward for conducting yourself honestly or honorably, at least not on the social level. But I find the exasperation a bit ridiculous. It's very easy to figure out why people ghost and I think most people complaining about it either would do it themselves to certain types or otherwise conduct themselves in a similar "polite dishonesty" fashion that begets ghosting. At least with ghosting a person in its more literal sense you can avoid lying. I have ghosted a handful of normies, not because they did anything wrong but because I did not like them as people and never would. If I texted these people out of the blue, "hey, I get that you wanna hang out and be my friend but I actually just don't like you as a person at all. Sorry." I doubt that would be received better or keep me out of trouble with random people who I don't have a problem with. The argument then is "deal with it and the all associated consequences" but this advice is very lumby, it strikes me as a demand we maintain a completely unfunctional socialization in favor of not being rude by ghosting. Again, at least ghosting someone isn't lying to them and you get roughly the same point across anyway. I'm all for a world of radical honesty, but I'm not going to be the first one to step out into the cold and devour whatever plate of shit I get as a result with a smile on my face (and even then I am constantly being caught with my pants down and humiliated for doing this anyway). Any proposition to drop these anti-social coping behaviors is essentially this. And dbdr is NOT by any means willing to take the first step himself.

Still interested in the games he chooses. That he plays out footage of a narrative focused game like Cyberpunk the same way he will dead by daylight footage. It probably all means about the same to him.

And beyond that, it seems like the realities of what he can't really change are hitting him again. He sounds a bit optimistic when he talks about working, job training, exercising, gaining some agency in life. Then he remembers he's alone. It comes back to the fact there is only so much you can do in a spot like this. He's doing the right inputs by all standards now. He's exercising, dieting, trying to work up to some decent work, what else is there? How many guys are currently in this hamster wheel stage of doing the right things with nothing much to show for it at this stage in life? From the sounds of it, a lot of guys. If anything the comments sound worse than dbdr. At least he's not smoking weed to sleep.

I can't believe I missed this, new dbdr song.

icycalm Wrote:913. My thoughts on inceldom. I've met some incels in the past year. My reading is that they are very low-energy low-T people who just don't really want sex or girls all that much. When they say they want sex or girls, they don't really mean it. It's like me saying I want a Ferrari. Sure, if it fell out of the sky into my lap, I'd take it, and enjoy it, but I don't REALLY want it because if I really wanted it I wouldn't be home today reading Leibniz, I would be out there hustling to make the money to get it.
I think the incels say they want girls and sex more out of peer pressure than anything else. Since everyone around them seems to want these things, they just go with the flow and say they want them too. But when you tell them to do 1, 2, 3 steps to get girls, they do nothing. Or they try for a week, and then give up.
The media and the PUAsphere like to portray incels as sad, but the ones I met were not sad at all. I mean, when I was 14 I was "incel" too—we all were—but since I'd never had sex or female companionship, I had no idea what I was missing. So I was fully happy with my sports and games and studies, and my life was missing nothing. Once I got my first taste of sex at 17, all this changed, and once I got my first love affair, right after, things changed even more, and now if you told me that I'd never taste these fruits again I would indeed grow sad.
See, the thing with incels, as I realized, is that, no matter their age, they're still children. Sex is one of the ways in which a boy matures into a man, and the incels have never had that. Then earning a woman's love and seeing her get hooked on you, and learning to love her back and protect her, is another huge masculine coming-of-age experience. Suddenly, you go from a kid who is dependent on others to having someone who looks up to you and whom you must defend. The sex is part of that, but the relationship is 1000x more significant. So even if the incel manages to get sex somehow, he still hasn't had the real thing. FFS most of them live with their parents into middle age. They are children in practically every metric that exists. Their emotional world is shallow as a child's. And just as a child throws a temper tantrum and cries for a minute when it doesn't get its way, and then practically forgets it, and is suddenly happy again and busy with its toys, so it is with the incels. They can't be hurt deeply because there's no depth to them because they never matured by bonding with anyone (not even with male friends, since most of them are friendless).
That's why, though before I met these guys, I was concerned about them and about incels in general, because like the PUAs I had been projecting the feelings I would have had if I was incel into them, I am no longer concerned. If they want girls, the info is out there exactly how to get them. So if they are not getting them, nor even TRYING to do so, I know they don't want them and are happy doing whatever other things they enjoy doing.

Virtue Wrote:
icycalm Wrote:913. My thoughts on inceldom. I've met some incels in the past year. My reading is that they are very low-energy low-T people who just don't really want sex or girls all that much. When they say they want sex or girls, they don't really mean it. It's like me saying I want a Ferrari. Sure, if it fell out of the sky into my lap, I'd take it, and enjoy it, but I don't REALLY want it because if I really wanted it I wouldn't be home today reading Leibniz, I would be out there hustling to make the money to get it.
I think the incels say they want girls and sex more out of peer pressure than anything else. Since everyone around them seems to want these things, they just go with the flow and say they want them too. But when you tell them to do 1, 2, 3 steps to get girls, they do nothing. Or they try for a week, and then give up.
The media and the PUAsphere like to portray incels as sad, but the ones I met were not sad at all. I mean, when I was 14 I was "incel" too—we all were—but since I'd never had sex or female companionship, I had no idea what I was missing. So I was fully happy with my sports and games and studies, and my life was missing nothing. Once I got my first taste of sex at 17, all this changed, and once I got my first love affair, right after, things changed even more, and now if you told me that I'd never taste these fruits again I would indeed grow sad.
See, the thing with incels, as I realized, is that, no matter their age, they're still children. Sex is one of the ways in which a boy matures into a man, and the incels have never had that. Then earning a woman's love and seeing her get hooked on you, and learning to love her back and protect her, is another huge masculine coming-of-age experience. Suddenly, you go from a kid who is dependent on others to having someone who looks up to you and whom you must defend. The sex is part of that, but the relationship is 1000x more significant. So even if the incel manages to get sex somehow, he still hasn't had the real thing. FFS most of them live with their parents into middle age. They are children in practically every metric that exists. Their emotional world is shallow as a child's. And just as a child throws a temper tantrum and cries for a minute when it doesn't get its way, and then practically forgets it, and is suddenly happy again and busy with its toys, so it is with the incels. They can't be hurt deeply because there's no depth to them because they never matured by bonding with anyone (not even with male friends, since most of them are friendless).
That's why, though before I met these guys, I was concerned about them and about incels in general, because like the PUAs I had been projecting the feelings I would have had if I was incel into them, I am no longer concerned. If they want girls, the info is out there exactly how to get them. So if they are not getting them, nor even TRYING to do so, I know they don't want them and are happy doing whatever other things they enjoy doing.

Icycalm is right that it's more like a failure to mature in a more complete fashion. Very much describes dbdr. Only this was written some time ago if I remember right. Even the sex-havers now are not "matured by bonding" (lumberjackism), and sex is on the whole going out of fashion as the social order breaks down. Where this post of his doesn't really go is that an incel is basically created before the time everyone does (or would have) started having sex, so discussing how people are at that point isn't really productive or useful.

The point bears repeating that modern relationships are so often dysfunctional just because they no longer really make sense or have a clear function, thus end up being based on feelings that are largely unconscious and fleeting. This is not evidence that they are some vehicle of personal growth and development. To anyone who is observing their surroundings, they will increasingly seem like a banal and demeaning labor that has to be forced.

But I wouldn't describe dbdr as being "happy" or content, it seems more like he doesn't know what he wants, and his life is instead a series of confused attempts to compromise with bleak and suffocating circumstances.

Virtue Wrote:
icycalm Wrote:But when you tell them to do 1, 2, 3 steps to get girls, they do nothing. Or they try for a week, and then give up...

Why is it that the main stumbling block for people who try to understand incels seems to be paying attention to what they think and say about their own predicament? Many people seem genuinely incapable of assimilating new information and moving beyond their preconceptions wrt to this topic. This guy has moved beyond one of his preconceptions, but only by plugging his ears. He's deduced that they must be lying about everything, for no personal gain (and much loss), or at least totally deluding themselves (again for unclear reasons). But even just taking a cursory glance at incels.is, I saw a thread with this OP:

Quote:I went to the grocery store to get some goyslop and beers (on a Monday, truecel life) and this female cashier (same age as me) at gave me a free discount thingy to save me some money.

She then looked me in the eyes with a smile and said jokingly 'Aren't you going to say thank you' and I autisticly smiled back and said thank you. She kept smiling, looking at me all the time even when I was walking away. She was so cute. Crazy ropefuel tbh, imagine how it must feel to have a gf who looks at you like that, hugs u... kisses u. Brutal mane. I legit almost cried when I got to my dorm. I cannot take it anymore bros. I don't know if I should rōpe.

How could anyone read stuff like this and come away with the idea that these people don't really want female companionship? That they're just saying they do and making their lack of it central to their identity because of "peer pressure"? This is a massive COPE so that he doesn't have to feel bad for them anymore.

Sometimes I worry that I project too much of my own psychology on incels, and impede my understanding that way. I wonder how many people who write things like this are just prototypical sex havers who can't understand not wanting to fuck anything that moves doing the same thing. But it's not fair to impugn icycalm this way, because the rest of the quote is somewhat insightful, and he even reverse-engineers the incel desire for meaningful sex and relationships himself. So what's preventing him from getting it? He states that he lost his virginity before having his first love affair; would he understand if someone felt disgust toward doing those things out of order? But turnip gets right to the heart of the issue here:

turnip Wrote:The point bears repeating that modern relationships are so often dysfunctional just because they no longer really make sense or have a clear function, thus end up being based on feelings that are largely unconscious and fleeting. This is not evidence that they are some vehicle of personal growth and development. To anyone who is observing their surroundings, they will increasingly seem like a banal and demeaning labor that has to be forced.

Increasingly, it's not just that incels might not get "the real thing" if they have sex, but that they might not even get it if they get in a relationship. Something that really struck me when visiting high school friends at college was observing how meaningless and stupid their roommates' relationships seemed. They were like marriages of convenience. Entirely passionless, completely without stakes. Of course, these types of relationships are hardly anything new, but things have certainly skewed that way in recent years. How many people today might, on seeing Pagliacci, wonder why Canio didn't just take a chill pill? When was the last time a story like Pagliacci was told in popular media? Used to be very common. But now they're forcing Welsh rugby fans to stop singing Delilah because it "promotes violence against women." Maybe this is another reason for the appeal of girls with BPD. One way to hopefully avoid a low-stakes glorified friends-with-benefits relationshit.

(03-03-2024, 07:19 AM)anthony Wrote: [ -> ]Still interested in the games he chooses. That he plays out footage of a narrative focused game like Cyberpunk the same way he will dead by daylight footage. It probably all means about the same to him.

He mentioned at some point that he has used other people's footage for some of his videos. I'm not sure which video he said this in since I marathon-ed his channel in its entirety, though I remember one of his videos had background gameplay of Sonic Adventure 2; if someone put a gun to my head and told me to guess which gameplay wasn't his, I'd say at least that one.

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